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      Mark my words, the terminal uncoolness that led the UK to not have a flag worth airbrushing on the side of a van is the same uncoolness that led to the modern condition of TERF island.

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    Northern Ireland, which is actually the north of Ireland, isn’t even in Brittain.

    The official name is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Great Brittain, and Northern Ireland. Which they should give back to Ireland. Maybe add Scotland and Wales as an apology, I’m sure they would love to join the EU again and leave England.

    Also, looking at the Union Jack, the northern island cross is wrong, as well as the Scottish blue colour. So basically it’s just an English flag with an artist’s impression of their stolen terretories added to it, while forgetting Wales completely.

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      I realize I am on thin ice saying this as an Englishman, but I mean it dispassionately - in every poll the plurality of Northern Irish people want to remain in the UK and the Good Friday Agreement states that if the majority ever want a United Ireland then the Secretary of State has to call a binding referendum.

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        Is that poll only for all the Irish living on the stolen land, or does the poll include the settlers too?

        I’m sure all the Americans want to stay in the US when there’s a survey, but the results will be completely different when only natives are asked for their opinion.

        Same with Tibet. There are so many Han Chinese there now, they would vote to stay with China if a poll was ever allowed.

        Sorry mate, but it’s such an English thing to say: “We colonized it and made sure the majority are settlers so if there ever would be a vote it will be in our favor.” Just give back the stolen land mate. Don’t follow in the footsteps of your brutal colonial ancestors. Be better than that.

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      my favourite part of the UK will always be how they wanted to show that they’ve claimed northern ireland, so what was the best they could come up with?

      Slap “london” in front of Derry, fucking beautiful. It’s not just stupid, it sounds like shit too!

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        That’s how Londonderry got named? Are we sure the royals and drumpf aren’t related? That’s some Gulf of America/ Lake America crap right there.

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          80% of places in the English-colonised portion of the Americas are named after England lmao, there’s a London, New York, a few hundred Springfields, Ipswich and even a Worcester in the USA. Americans can barely even pronounce Worcester

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          During the Plantation of Ulster by English and Scottish settlers, a new walled city was built across the River Foyle from the old site by the Irish Society, a consortium of the livery companies of the City of London.[13] In recognition of the London investors, the 1613 charter stated “that the said city or town of Derry, for ever hereafter be and shall be named and called the city of Londonderry”.

          honestly worse, they did it to suck off some fucking investors

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      We’re actually going to give them to America and Eire will be renamed Trump Island.

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        Name it prince Andrew island and Trump would love to visit on a regular basis as his favorite island is out of business.

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    To be fair, Wales was still a part of the Kingdom of England when the Union Jack was designed. All that means is a redesign is well overdue.

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      Gwynedd tried to do over the English crown when they were already paying fealty, they quickly killed enough people across the rest of the Welsh counties to take control of most of them and set themselves against the English Crown, refusing to pay. So the English armies had to come and sort them. Gwynedd’s actions effectively subdued Wales … why anyone in the rest of Wales thinks this meant Wales was unified I’m not sure. Falling in behind the Northeners [of Wales], who it seems had Irish/Norse as their leaders, rather than falling in behind England when it was those North Walians that came around killing all our people … it’s weird to me.

      Also, Welsh people ruled Britain (the Tudors), which is more than any English people {with long-established families from mainland Britain} have done since before the Norman Conquest. Again I don’t get how the Scots and the Welsh moan about the English when both of them had a good go of ruling Britain (since 1066) and no English people have.

      Anyway, if you’re going to add this Welsh flag, which is really not old, why would you not first add the flags of Britons in the counties that were combined before the Normans took full control - Northumbria or Wessex or wherever. Mind you, you might still end up with a dragon/wyvern (viper).

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      Yep, 1707 was the union of the kingdom of England with the kingdom of Scotland, 1801 brought in the kingdom of Ireland - through all this, Wales was a principality (the Prince of Wales still being a significant title), under England.

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    Everyone notices the absence of the cool dragon flag, and mostly glosses over there being no attestation of the “Cross of St. Patrick” having been used until the United Kingdom needed such a thing for its new flag.

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    Wait… just noticed… they spent a few centuries in war against Catholics but kept waving Catholic symbols as their flags?

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      St Patrick’s Saltire was added after the Act of Union 1800 when Ireland (whole thing) was merged into the UK, they never bothered to fix it after Irish independence in 1920.

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        For Andrew maybe, he is in the Bible, the other two are later “Catholic”/Western Latin-Church figures, but thank you, the protestant churches I know doesn’t recognize saints, I thought it was true for all of them.

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      The language went semi-extinct for a while; there was a period with no living speakers, and Cornish as spoken now was reconstructed from texts. Which means that we don’t know exactly how it used to sound, and the speakers of the older Cornish would probably not understand speakers of reconstructed Cornish. (Which sounds profound, though speakers of 17th-century English would have similar problems with modern English.)

      Until the revival in Celtic nationalism from the late 19th century, people assumed that the Cornish consider themselves as indisputably English as those from historic kingdoms like Mercia and Wessex (and that the Welsh, once they see reason and give up their language, will do so as well, and in due time, there’s hope for the Scots and the Irish); the idea of a modern Cornish national identity would have sounded absurd to them.

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        speakers of 17th-century English would have similar problems with modern English

        Late Shakespeare is in the early 17th century. It can sometimes take a moment to get attuned to the way of speaking, but their speech is absolutely intelligible to us, and barring some of the more out-there slang I suspect the reverse would also be true. You gotta go way further back to get seriously unintelligible.

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    Shame that any are included in that Butcher’s Apron

    Won’t be long until they all leave smelly old England at least