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Elon: The actual number of moves that are not utterly stupid in chess is tiny and chess will be fully solved one day
Chess.com: Skill issue
Elon: Chess is hard for humans, but not for computers. One day, it will be fully solved like checkers. Between now and then, or even after, have fun. People enjoy may games/sports where machines are vastly better.
Chess.com: There are more possible chess games, by about 40 order of magnitude, than atoms in the observable universe. To solve chess, you’d have to map them all. Good luck.
Elon: Wrong, all legal chess positions are ~40 ooms less than the estimated atoms in the Universe. And ASI will figure out ways to solve and compress that are far beyond what we could possibly comprehend. (Here I am arguing with some random intern at a chess website)
Chess.com: I’m a full-time employee
Elon: (something-emoji)
Chess.com: Even my friends don’t text me back that fast
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Who wants to even solve chess bruh 😭
Elon Musk sucks
I was curious about the orders of magnitude of atoms, chess games, and chess positions, so I looked it up (note that the Chess.com employee said “chess games”, each of which involves a complete sequence of moves, while Musk said “legal chess positions”, which is very different.)
- There are approximately 10^120 possible chess games.
- There are approximately 10^80 atoms in the observable universe.
- There are approximately 4.8 × 10⁴⁴ unique legal board positions.
sometimes the game isnt to win
Exactly!
Tell that to the multimillionaire toddler who hired players to level up his Poe account, just so he could brag to the gaming community.
What does it mean to “solve” chess? And what does he mean checkers is “solved”? Shirley, he can’t still be mad that he’s bad at chess, no? (Yes, yes he can)
For example, “three in a row” is solved. You literally cannot lose.
… if you start and know what to do. It is perfectly possible to lose for either player. Unless maybe if both players want to lose?
Solved means that the best move is known for all positions. “Best move” meaning the move that leads to the highest chance of victory vs an opponent that also always plays the best move.
elon musk is literally https://xkcd.com/1112/
Goal is to NOT be checkmated, so you should always move your pieces towards your king.
Found the fortress player.
That’s way too accurate, lol.
So he just saw “40 orders of magnitude” and decided that just happened to be the same number he needed to make his point (just going the other way).
Lol ok.
Legitimate question; does he know what an order of magnitude is?
Chess will never be solved because there’s like a gajillion billion moves, probbaly more moves in a chess game than goku has power points when he goes like super duper saiyan
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No, he clearly does not.
I love how everyone here is like “hur hur, Elon is a moron” (and of course he is).
But in the end they’re just talking around each other. And are both right it seems.
The number of atoms in the universe is about 10^80. The number of possible games (which the chess.com guy was talking about) was once estimated to be about 10^120 (so 40 magnitudes larger). The number of possible positions is currently estimated at about 10^40 positions (so about 40 magnitudes smaller).
In the end i’d say positions is more important in solve a game than ways to get to those positions. For each position you need to know the perfect next move.
But Elon not noticing he’s talking about something different than the Chess.com guy is… intriguing XD.
But Elon not noticing he’s talking about something different than the Chess.com guy is… intriguing XD.
tbf even if they did notice, there’s very little point with arguing with a chess.com
internfull time employee who’s proably very annoyed so it would probably just be a waste of time to point it out.
Even though elon is like a bad James Bond villain he is nothing like the Bond villains from the movies. The movie Bond villains had sophistication and class.
“You expect me to talk?”
“No, Mr Bond - I expect you to shid and cum”
Tbh I hope the next Bond movie has a villain inspired by Musk.
“Most epic, is it not, Mr. Bond?” He says, gesturing to his pleasure palace of screens with anime waifus on them.
They also tended to explode in their evil leir. Usually because of a contraption they set up.
I knew Melon Husk was a moron years ago. Just before the release of the Cyberdumpster, he had made an off-the-cuff statement about the quality of said vehicle as “having a tolerance of plus or minus five microns”. At the time I worked for a company that made power train parts for all kinds of different makes and models of cars. specifically, I made what’s known as a “spider”, a type of gear that allows for flexibility at the joint: the part under the protective “boot” if you’ve ever glanced under a car. My job was running the machine that cuts the splines on the spider that makes it fit on the shaft. Even the smallest of spiders have an I.D. (inner diameter) tolerance of plus or minus fifteen microns.
I knew by Melon Head’s comment that he either didn’t know what the fuck a micron was, or just thought it would make him sound smart because nobody else did. This was back when he was at the height of his popularity, before he got involved with the orange Pedo-in-Chief and started throwing Nazi gang signs.
I’m glad that the Cyberdumpster was/is such a failure; those things are ugly as fuck. On the other hand, I hate that the rest of us will have to foot the bill for his fuck-ups.
I’m a bicycle mechanic, not a combustion engine mechanic. But given that fact, I am INTIMATELY familiar with just how suddenly and catastrophically aluminum can fail at even relatively low-speed collisions, and how poorly it tolerates torsion and vibration.
As soon as this pimple-brained wannabe engineer said that the cyberdumpster would have an aluminum frame and a stainless steel body, I backpedaled so fast. I can’t think of a dumber combination of parts for a machine that’s supposed to carry human beings.
Aluminum worked well for the Audi A8 and the A2. That was not the problem. The problem was everything else.
I think this is a lot of people’s experience with Elon, and least until be went full crazy. If you didn’t know anything about the subject he was talking about, he sounded smart. If you did know something about it, you figured out how dumb he was really fast.
He talked about electric cars. I don’t know anything about cars, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius.
Then he talked about rockets. I don’t know anything about rockets, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius.
Now he talks about software. I happen to know a lot about software & Elon Musk is saying the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard anyone say, so when people say he’s a genius I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.
The first time I ever heard of Musk was in 2007 when he was boosting the hyperloop. I don’t know anything about hyperloops, but I know a lot about trains. Musk was arguing that trains were outdated and the hyperloop was better and cheaper because it was new. I just remember thinking, “how is experimental, untested tech going to be cheaper than off-the-shelf railroad tech? And this guy is supposed to be smart?”
I don’t know if you meant it this way, but that is hilariously similar to the “First They Came” poem.
Makes me remember the news a decade ago that went like “Elon Musk the genius billionaire who reads rocket science books to take us all to Mars”. Yeah he probably did read them, without really understanding details, so that he could throw around technical words to impress people. It worked for a short while but he wasn’t clever enough to keep his stupid ideas to him so he exposed himself basically.
did you actually ever watch a single interview with the person that you’re talking about or are you just regurgitating what others have said? serious question
Just to double check, we are talking about Elon right? Lol. I also have to note, you downvote a comment for which you don’t know if that person has any sources for what they said or not? Is that really a “serious question” or are you just coming to the dicussion with very strong and unfounded priors, the thing you are accusing me of.
I have watched multiple interviews featuring him. But more importantly I have seen dozens of comments made by him on various technical/societial topics that completely missed the mark (even though he was 100% confident). I am sure I can still find atleast three or four if you have somehow missed all of Elon’s tweets for the last decade and are interested. By the tone of your message I feel like you have opinions or contradicting resources on the matter, care to share?
NO! THERE AREN’T MORE CHESS POSITIONS THAN ATOMS IN THE UNIVERSE, ITS ACTUALLY MORE LIKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF CHESS POSITIONS AS THERE ARE CELLS THAT EVER LIVED!
ok genius map that then.
Literal proof that the rich ARE MORONS.
I don’t think most rich people are like Elon Musk. He is one of the few that wastes his time trying to prove he doesn’t have a small dick.
I don’t think most rich people are like Elon Musk.
No, some of them are like Donald Trump or Peter Theil.
They’re not all idiotic like Snusk, but the bar is so low it’s in hell.
Reminder he was such a loser he couldn’t even get invited to epstein island
I think the opposite. I think Musk is actually one of the smartest rich guys. Not that I think Musk is smart, but most of these fuckers seem even stupider.
Like Musk has actually moved tech forward… not because he has any particularly unique insights, just because all the other rich guys were scared of electric cars.
One of the reason’s they are super rich is because they are morons
I wonder how true that actually is? I generally subscribe to the theory that you have to do some horrible shit to a lot of people to hit 1billion. With that comes the automatic assumption that Billionaires are corrupt people. But I wonder how much of it is sheer stupidity blinding them to the damage that they reek on everyone else.
I think reason why ultrarich can be called dumb is their lack of introspection.
They don’t waste time thinking “How does this affect other people?” or “Why do I want to be rich?” or else they wouldn’t have spent decades relentlessly grinding in a rat race.
You also have to be very delusional and take massive gambles to get rich. It worked out for Gates or Musk, yes, but its a survivorship bias. Lots of other psychotic people have lost all by chasing the next big thing like AI-powered startups or NFTs.
Although I would surely not claim all ultrarich people are dumb, because I haven’t seen any, nor have research to back this up.
With that comes the automatic assumption that Billionaires are corrupt people.
It’s impossible to become a billionaire without some severely sociopathic character flaws.
He’s so insecure about his own intelligence.
Imagine being the richest man alive and your whole existence is being envious of other people’s abilities.
Entirely self inflicted. He’s been wealthy all his life. He could have learned any skill or hobby.
Or just shut the fuck up and not realized the reality of how stupid he really is.
So I guess Elon tried to get into chess because it’s a smart people hobby, got demolished, and now is having a sour grapes moment.
Probably also paid others to play for him like with his stupid video games, he’s fucking pathetic.
I would be curious what his highest chess.com raing is. I got to 1650 once, a middling score, more often in the 1500s but don’t play much now.
1650 a middling score?
cries in 800 elo
It’s okay bro, I’ve been practicing getting better at chess for like 10 years now and I’m still 1100. Chess is fucking hard.
1650+ is about the top 40% of chess.com players (say 5%, not all humans).
Pluck a random off the street and your 800 will beat 19 out of 20.
It’s not middling, it’s an early-advanced rating. For perspective, an Elo differential of 400 implies 10:1 win:loss odds.
Are you on chess.com though or the other one, they have a different lower rating system I think, lichess.com I think the latter might even be non profit but I still used chess.com because I was already there when I learned that.
Very much a tommy talerico mentality but somehow musky got the luck
