Butlerian Jihad incoming!
Was double-tapping a school not enough?
It was a school of some desert people far away. So it’s basically irrelevant to the citizen of The Great US Empire.
Not so much an AI thing as much as an American thing. Americans and Israelis love doing that shit.
Only a matter of time. We don’t need to worry about Terminator and Skynet. We need worry about everything going from engineered to automated cargo cult slop. All run on massive datacenters controlled by a few mega corporation that everyone is hopelessly dependent on and can’t imagine working without. The trillionaire owners of these mega corporations are hiding in bunkers waiting on one of coming calamities to happen, or just from us unwashed masses. While they buy governments and media to keep and increases their riches.
This future sucks. Can I try another one?
I came across this conspiracy theory the other day.
You know how back in the day, company towns had to use company scrip to make sure workers couldn’t spend their money elsewhere?
Well, not you can be tracked by AI, and as soon as you leave your “boundaries” granted to you by your level of privilege, suddenly your bank card stops working, because that looks like a “fraudulent transaction”.
The systems are already in place, too. If I go on an impromptu road trip and spend money six states over, my bank calls me and tells me my card is being used in a weird place, and they ask if that transaction is legit. Usually I can be like “yep, let it through” and everything is fine.
What if the AI decides that in fact everything is not fine, and I don’t need to be able to spend money outside of my town?
Sounds like an argument for wallets. Digital or with cash.
AI vibecoded nuclear plant. What could go wrong? You just need to add “no nuclear meltdown” at the end of the prompt.
There is info that Microsoft vibecoded an OS…
Wasn’t that just the plot of N.U.K.E.E.?
I’ll worry about ‘AI’ when something that can legitimately be mistaken as intelligence is demonstrated.
In the meantime, these explosively imprecise, statistically luke-warm, grey goo extrusion sphincters need to be exclusively opt-in, and not forced on anyone who hasn’t explicitly consented to a lobotomy.
Like any other toxic ingredient, anything made with even an iota of AI-generated content in it should be flagged, and it should be mandatory for sites to provide an easily user-accessible way to filter that horseshit out.
Data is often called the new oil, but I’d argue it more closely resembles uranium.
LLM’s are like asbestos, a carcinogen later generations will need to carefully remove from the environment they’ve inherited.
What is currently labelled as slop will more accurately be treated like irradiated sludge.
Don’t worry about “AI”, worry about the idiots who will give the imprecise statistical output extruder a gun.
Yeah, this article is promoting the doomsday AI myth which is the narrative that these companies want us to go with, because it makes their products seem powerful. In reality, people are already turning against this technology en masse — not because they’re afraid it’ll turn into Skynet, but because it sucks shit.
Why wait? What is with people trying to act so slick and cool?
Yes, it sucks, but it’s a) being used as if it’s intelligent, which is arguably much worse, and b) going to eventually get to a point where it’s at least not terrible(at its job, specifically, as it’s pretty bad for a lot of things).
For a personal reason, I’m worried about it because it’s very likely filtering my CV based on a work gap that’s only getting worse because my CV is getting filtered. It’s not intelligent, but HR companies and departments are using it for that anyway.
going to eventually get to a point where it’s at least not terrible
That is far from inevitable, and that’s even more true if you’re talking about existing LLM technology.
It’s already not bad for certain specific, niche applications. Check out PlantNet. It’s awesome. You can take a picture of a plant, and it’ll identify it for you. No micro-transactions; you don’t even have to log in. It just works.
Obviously, that isn’t one of the applications of Machine Learning that people have a problem with. It’s the LLMs filtering out your resume or spying on you or producing slop.
Issue is, they’re already trying to use it for things it shouldn’t be used for…
Name one thing it should be used for, where there’s not a better, lower-cost, lower-risk alternative.
I’d say “You got me!”, but I legit having an issue with finding a usecase for LLMs.
Are these “top ai researchers” real people?
Real grifters.
These top AI researchers are just investment bankers. So no, not real people
How about they stop building the torment nexus?
Torment does not create torment. It’s being created by the torment factory within the nexus. Nexus was not valued.
the founding father of modern ‘civilisation’
It certainly would explain some of Musk’s and Thiel’s insane brain farts.
Chernobyl didn’t turn the world against nuclear powerplants forever so it’s probably fine.
In Germany it did.
Did someone say creating fake news in masses to scare people away from genAI?
Count me in!
Wait, so its not the actual event and ensuing casualties that have AI researchers spooked, but the fact that it might cause the public to turn against AI?
Watch thiel, huang, karp etc videos. As far as they are concerned we are irrelevant at best, more accurately we are in the way, and we are a waste of resources that should belong to ai.
“Sir, our model has caused several explosions around the globe resulting in hundreds of thousands dead and people rioting against us.”
“No! MY PROFIT!”
(I wish I could add an /s.)
I miss sarcasm and satire
It’s like responding to your employee losing an arm, ripped off by your tiger, and saying “I’m never going to financially recover from this.”
Let me put this in perspective:
In many countries its against the law to freely distribute plans for making neurotoxins or bombs, because the democratization of such knowledge would lower the threshold for people to commit acts of terror.
Likewise the plans for making a hydrogen bomb are a close kept government secret, because nuclear proliferation increases the likelihood of radiological accidents or even nuclear war.
How is it then that AI companies freely publish their AI models to any and all actors willing to pay them? Even though they know that this technology lowers the threshold for bad actors to commit cybercrime, engage in cyberwarfare, spread misinformation, commit fraud, manipulate markets and whatnot? The unregulated democratization of AI exposes societies to unprecedented risks.
Is it any wonder the public holds a negative view on AI?
How is it then that AI companies freely publish their AI models to any and all actors willing to pay them?
Because they can’t really do much?
Likewise the plans for making a hydrogen bomb are a close kept government secret, because nuclear proliferation increases the likelihood of radiological accidents or even nuclear war.
I think they removed it, but I watched a documentary on Netflix explaining how to make a basic nuclear bomb.
Really the only hard part is obtaining the enriched uranium. Which is, thankfully, very hard.
That knowledge is nowhere near as restricted as you think. People regularly build small thermonuclear reactors in their basements for shits and giggles. It’s not exactly cutting edge technology.
Similarly, anyone with slightly more than a passing interest in model rockets knows someone who’s been visited by the ATF, as your average solid fuel model rocket engine is basically a pipe bomb with one of the endcaps taken off.
Why are you comparing a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation to weapons created for destruction? Because your statement would look dumb if you said “electric motors and encyclopedias” instead of “neurotoxins and bombs”.
I can use both electric motors and encyclopedias to inflict mass casualties against people who refuse to use them or the results of their labor, but that doesn’t make them like bombs and neurotoxins. You’re simply scared of a new technology because it’s so different.
a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation
It’s a bullshit aggregator attached to a stochastic bullshit firehose.
So many of you are zealots, foaming at the mouth, mass-replying to my comments with the rancor of toadies suddenly faced with the truth that the bully they serve will replace them in a heartbeat.
If it is so useless, it’ll just fail on its own. A person who really believed this would just sit back and laugh as corporations dug their own graves.
@Nouvellalia you can trick the information machine to give you pretty much any information you want, as long as you don’t care how accurate it is. So if someone lies well enough, they can either get the plans for weapons of mass destruction like @metermatic26 was talking about, or they can get incorrect plans that are incredibly dangerous to even try. If the plans are correct, they can hurt anyone they want. If the plans are incorrect, they can hurt themselves and others they don’t want to.
“Why are you comparing a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation”
Surely you are joking.
Are you using the LLM to write ?
Moving the goalposts implies …
you just don’t make any sense.
This is one of the problems of AI.
The appearance of making sense, without any
actual sense making.Most of y’all sound like you’re from facebook. Like a bunch of kids who never left the curated tribalism of the schoolyard.
It’s really not even so different. “AI” in the current LLM-era just tricks people into thinking it’s something fundamentally different because it can string together words in a more coherent sentence than we’re used to.
At its core, though, the whole premise of the comment you’ve replied to is the argument that knowledge is dangerous and I hope I don’t have to explain why that’s a bad argument.
it can string together words in a more coherent sentence than we’re used to
Truthiness.
Knowledge without wisdom and decent morals can be incredibly dangerous.
AI is a universe simulator that uses the fuzzy logic of language instead of hard math. It is a real-time interface between the human and thousand of years of collective knowledge and understanding. It is an epoch change, even if you remove the idea that it is a thinking being like you.
the fuzzy logic of language instead of hard math
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There’s no evidence that natural language is based on fuzzy logic.
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Fuzzy logic is real math.
You are talking about a statistical array that uses fuzzy logic to represent humanity’s compression of their experience of the universe. It uses language to determine the values because people used language to encode them.
Fuzzy logic was literally founded as a way to represent the concepts we naturally represent with language.
You are so far away from a solid grasp of what your are attempting to educate me on. Is this a litmus test for other idiots? Like, you can’t join the crusade unless you are “this stupid”?
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Ai is a banana toast simulator that uses farty logic of sandwich instead of hard knock life. It is a cereal box interface between the zombie and thousands of seconds of contrived marketing and manipulation. It is a diaper change, even if you remove the asparagus it is a toilet bowl full of arsenic.
True, there are more valid reasons to hate AI, like that its usage inherently degrades the livability of our only planet or that it only functions due to artistic and intellectual property theft.
However, you’re glossing over the reality that AI is already being used in weapons. It was also used by my government’s regime to illegally kidnap the president of another country, even.
Electric motors and encyclopedias are irreplaceable in weapons. All electronics are used in weapons.
Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI. They should all be used sustainably, wisely, and with an eye to ecosystem health and future generations. You’ll get absolutely no argument from me there. Banning any of them or limiting their access to only the governments and corporations who are doing almost all the damage, is insanity.
When it comes to IP theft, that is a huge, non-ai problem. Again, corporations are responsible for almost all of the damage and we reap none of the benefits, even before AI was ever introduced. The problem is with how we allow corporations to copyright and restrict things for generations.
The solution is that AI, the technology that required all of humanity to contribute knowledge for it to exist, should be free for all to use. Why would IP theft be a reason to limit AI ownership to only corporations and governments? That’s completely backwards.
@Nouvellalia @7101334
> Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI.Inherently? It’s just a matter of time.
Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI.
They’re also necessary for existence (at least the first two, but when it comes to medical applications, really electricity too).
AI slop? Nope.
re: your 1st point: deliberately disingenuous due to scale and time. re: your 2nd point: No
I promise we won’t need shitty images of babies driving a boat with shrimp Jesus, no matter how much time passes.
Nope, we all lived just fine without farming and fishing. Then we lived just fine without industrial farming and fishing. We lived most of human existence without either, and certainly without modern medicine.
You just like those things and you don’t like AI.
Then you dress all AI applications down to “AI slop”. Which if you want to move the goalposts to “AI slop”, we can agree that it’s about as necessary as high fructose corn syrup and streaming entertainment. Do you fuss on those as hard as frivolous AI usage?
lmao that’s actually so stupid I’m not even going to bother responding
@Nouvellalia @7101334 funny how really the only argument AI boosters can make with regards to its environmental impact is “what about all the other stuff that is worse”. What about it? What about that? Look over there! Yes I’ve been concerned about all those things, for many years, because I’ve been concerned about climate change, for many years. You haven’t?
How do you inflict a mass casualty with encyclopedias and electric motors?
How do you get to nukes and biological weapons that kill millions without them?
I’m a data and AI specialist, so no…I’m not scared of technology :p
I’ll explain my argument: AI is technology that can be used for software automation. Neither software in general or AI are dangerous technologies in and of themselves. Just as nuclear energy or jet propulsion are not dangerous technologies in and of themselves.
But the application of technology is never ever neutral, so rules and regulations are always necessary to dictate the context and the conditions in which technology is being applied.
And therein lies the issue: Big Tech is allowing their models and platforms to be used to create applications that are inherently harmful. For example, how is it not a problem when people create deepfake porn of their underaged ex-girlfriend?
And mind you this is not an oversight: tech companies know well in advance what their models can be used for and the issues themselves can be fixed easily. They simply chose to accept the damage inflicted unto individuals and security and stability of society as a whole.
All so they can get ahead of the crowd and maximize their market share. If anything, this article is a testament to this clash of interests between society and big tech.
You can’t possibly be what you claim to be. All the other problems with your argument aside, it is not trivial to make a model that is “safe” and functional at the same time. It has not been done.
The money might go away!
buttlerian jihad?
I feel like one could legitimately run on this platform at this point.
Already used in ukraine war, palestenian genocide rtc. See autonomous drones.
We should already be against AI but mainstream media and class consciousness are suppressed to serve our billionaire overlords
Also in the genocide in Sudan. They killed a whole city, Al Faschir or El Fasher. Over 70,000 people disappeared in one night when the city was invaded. Most of them are probably dead - what remained were blood puddles visible on satellite images.
There is a detailed, very high quality report in the renowned German newspaper DIE ZEIT that tried to reconstruct what happened:
https://www.zeit.de/2026/16/kriegsverbrechen-al-faschir-sudan-darfur-rsf/komplettansicht
It is, after the report of WWII allies reaching German concentration camps, and the testimonies from Hiroshima, among the worst and most depressing things I have ever read.
Seems like Ukraine needed money, and sold drones to Saudi Arabia. And Saudi gave the weapons to the Arab side of the civil war. Which included the forces which besieged and destroyed Al Fashir.
If AI was perhaps a neutral technology before, this is certainly not the case any more.
Paywall
AI has had like 14 Chernobyl moments. Wasn’t the US using AI to bomb Iran? That include a whole school of girls IIRC. And guess what? No one cares.
Chernobyl spread significant radiation over 8 million people with effects lasting for decades / generations. It spread detectable radiation across most of the globe.
I truly feel for the tragedy of the schoolgirls, but as Stalin said: one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. Chernobyl was a statistic level event, so many individual tragedies that people can’t feel them anymore.
So we need one cool death? Basically another killer like the one that brought in the whole Luigi case.
While I agree with you, the vast majority of users are still AI pilled.
Those users are what they are scared of loosing.
And why would they be scared of losing them if they are pilled? In about six to ten more months, those idiots (the pilled ones) are going to be so idiotized they won’t know even how to put their trousers on without asking ChatGPT, if they haven’t fallen that low already.
Maybe those are going to be the casualties. When AI tells them to run in traffic or something.
I vote we speed this process along.
Hmmm I mean I’m all for them running into traffic because Siri told them that’s how you boil water for tea; the problem is the other, innocent people involved in a crash.
Most of them are driving SUVs so big they won’t even feel it and staring at the phone, so there won’t even be any ptsd.
Its more likely that they will feel it if they are driving an SUV because of crash comparability.
I care
I mean, sure, we (the Fediverse, I hope, at least) care; I was being somewhat allegorical.
Okay but deep learning for image object detection and large language models are absolutely different things
And they are both powerful tools and can be used to whatever means you want. Good or evil… or just means. Not everything has to have a good or bad label
It does not matter how they can be used. “Can” is only potential, and that’s classical accelerationistbro excuse. What matters is the actions, and right now the actions are that both are moved primarily by an elite of oligarchs, pedophiles, thieves and genocides, at the cost of our water, health, environment, privacy, sanity and society.
Chainsaws can be used well, or poorly. People who don’t know what they are doing with chainsaws are much more likely to experience bad results.
Pretty much by definition, nobody knew how to use LLMs at all ten years ago. Most people who are using them today have less than a year’s experience in use case fields that didn’t exist 2 years ago.
Not to mention, people who don’t know how to use chainsaws have a much higher risk of harming other people by using chainsaws.
a much higher risk of harming other people by using chainsaws.
That all depends on where you let them work.
If an idiot with a chainsaw drops a tree on himself in the woods and nobody is around to hear him scream…
I wish! An idiot wouldn’t even know how to use a chainsaw all around a tree to make it fall; incorrectly or not.
Never underestimate the capabilities of idiots. An idiot can render a bowling ball useless with a plastic spoon. Matter of fact, last time I got a ride to a bowling alley an idiot had rendered the seat belt in the car useless with a plastic spoon.
This take is a denial of current reality.
They’re already using “AI” for genocide in Palestine, etc.
This is how capitalism always develops and uses “technology”.
I think they meant some unintended catastrophe like Chernobyl was where things went out of control. The use of AI in this example is intentional and controllable.
Yeah, but the thing is…there is absolutely nothing stopping Iran, Hezbollah or Hamas from developing their own AI.
The technology needed to develop AI that can sabotage infrastructure, spread disinformation, develop autonomous weapons etc is already out there.
Whatever advantage the US and Israel had when it comes to military applications of AI, is quickly disappearing.
