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Jesus watching people wearing a sculpture of his fucking torture, dead and corpse.

Yep, all normal.

Yes! That’s why I have the políitical ideology I have. And why I try to boicot them as much as I can.

I’m here and not in reddit because I do want to change that.

Quite some people here is actually saying they are. And that’s the only thing I’m arguing. That they are not fascist.

Using any Musk service does make Musk stronger. That’s real, I won’t argue that.

Yes, totally agree with that. Firefox userbase is precisely one that could be more prevalent in mastodon than in twitter.

That’s why I don’t go on twitter or reddit.

But I understand that different people have different needs. A company or a politician might need reach. They are not just someone having fun online. For them is their business.

I actually think is a bad choice, because they would have better public elsewhere. But a wrong decision like that would make them just wrong, not fascist.

In order to call Mozilla a fascist company the proof I would need is a evidence of them believing and promoting the fascist ideology.

On another example Bernie Sanders used Twitter. I would also need extra proof that he is a fascist.

At least they are no longer “fascist”.

A step in the good direction.

So Bernie Sanders is literally supporting fascism?

Not even that. They straight up endorse capitalism over public work.

It’s like national liberal _socialism

Arguing with people about this I found out Bernie Sanders has an active Twitter account. Is Bernie Sanders also fash? Is Bernie Sanders supporting Musk?

The problem with what I criticized is that by that logic everyone is far right, including you and me, because we both surely use or buy products that are owned by fash.

This is the way to go.

If they don’t have left wing friends they would only have right wing friends, and surely they won’t ever change their mind in that environment.

To be real that attitude is a little abusive, “be like I want or I left you!” kind of deal. Preying on vulnerable people that would change themselves just out of fear of being alone. I don’t want that. I want convince people of my views because they see how good they are, not because I threatened them.

I meant that everything you buy in a capitalist world is putting money in hands of bad people.

You buy baby food from nestle and you are giving money to terrible people.

What I implied in the post, is that that doesn’t make you a bad person. You need to live, and most importantly, you have right to enjoy your life. That would inevitably lead to giving money to bad people.

Here a corporation, Mozilla, is using a service from a bad person, twitter. Are they as bad because of it? I don’t think so. There are other people, like Bernie Sanders, who still have an active twitter account. They are doing consumption that profits bad people, but in a capitalist economy that is inevitable. Thus I don’t think the consumption of something should be the sole factor judging the ethics of a person.

We live in a society where is very hard or sometimes impossible to avoid it. Here, Mozilla or Bernie Sanders, haven’t found another social network with enough userbase for their communication purposes. I personally don’t agree with their choice, But I won’t call them fash for making that choice. Because I know how limited consumption offers are in a capitalist world.

I think you articulated greatly something that’s been around my mind for a while.

I’ve been a while thinking how migration policies should be revised in the EU, attending to human rights and seeking the best for everyone. Personally I think the route to take is improve the countries of origin, do whatever we can so people doesn’t even feel the need to leave all their friends and family behind for economic reasons.

But as the EU is not addressing this because corporations profit from mass inmigration, the alt-right way of thinking about inmigration (which is basically genocide) is rising.

As said. If you strictly follow that logic you would probably be a nazi too.

What browser do you use?

Unless you are doing curl to browse the internet you are using either chromium based of firefox based. By that logic of yours you are endorsing nazis, thus making you a nazi.

At then end you are basically saying that all the world population are basically nazis. How many people have pick up a rifle to end Trump? Have you? No? Then, by what you just said you are nazi.

As you see is completely illogical.

Once thing are nazis, and other thing is people thar doesn’t fight nazis with all they have. They are two separate groups. And most of us are in the second group.

It’s okey to judge them. And to judge them harshly.

I’m just saying that I don’t think is ok to label someone a fascist unless we are certain they are indeed fascist.

Once a person/corporation is a fascist, from my point of view they are to be eliminated from society. We cannot share a society with fascist. We cannot share society with Mozilla? I don’t think so. I think they are on the group of people I don’t agree in everything with, but I can still share a society with them.

For instance Musk is not in than group. He is a fascist, we cannot share society with him. I think there’s a difference here between Musk or his companies and Mozilla.

They don’t need to be antifascist. That’s what I’m saying.

I’m antifascist.

But I do not consider everyone who does not actively do whatever they can to fight fascist (thus they are not antifascist) a fascist. They are just people, neutral, or with other ideology. Maybe they are liberal, maybe they are conservative, maybe they are other thing, IDK. If they do not believe in fascist/nazi ideology they are not that.

I disagree with them giving handjobs to fascist. But that’s all, I’m not labeling them as fascist for that. A fascist is someone I believe it would be better if they didn’t exist, I don’t believe that about THAT MUCH people.

There are some instances that’s evident that a person haven’t have a serious talk with anyone thinking different than them in a long time. And that’s just looping on feedback for the same line of though.

This is pretty clear when people make so broad assumptions of the type every X is Y.

In this case we are talking about people saying “everyone using twitter is fash”. In my opinion that’s very hard to justify unless you are deep in some echo chamber and you have just read that a thousand times and this it has got engraved in your thoughts. Because that’s not a rational or logical though. It’s pretty evident that there are tons of people who are on twitter and are not fascist. Just for giving an example Bernie Sanders has a twitter account and he posted there 10 hours ago. Is Bernie Sanders a fascist?

One thing is not liking/agreeing them. Other much different is calling them fascist.

I’m not a sith lord. Not all who is not with me is against me.

Maybe if I go, being antifascist, they also give me a handjob. Then what? Are they racist for giving handjob to racist, are they antifa for giving handjob to antifa?

That logic leads to infinite nazi generation.

And to some incongruencies.

What happens if there’s 10 person in the table, one is nazi and one is antifa. Are them all nazis? Are them all antifascist?

It doesn’t seem like good logic to me.