The “Uncommitted” movement seeking a change in the Democratic Party’s approach to the war in Gaza on Thursday announced it is not ready to support Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris — while urging voters not to back Republican nominee Donald Trump or third-party candidates who could help Trump win the November election.

The “Uncommitted” group “opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing,” the statement continues. Additionally, the group is “not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our country’s broken electoral college system.”

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    I can get behind this. Sure, we can criticise Team Blue for slow-dragging their feet on protecting Palestinians. Never said we couldn’t. That said, there’s clear consequences to a Trump victory. The Uncommitted have made it clear they grasp this and ask you to vote for Harris, even if they can’t endorse Harris. Staying home, voting third party, or heaven forbid, voting Trump will just make things in the Middle East FAR worse.

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      For real, that’s all I’ve been saying whenever people start come in and start bashing on Harris and pushing false equivalence. Like, yeah, Biden is super bad on his policy towards Israel and Gaza; I HOPE Harris will be better; I KNOW Trump will be worse.

      That’s it. That’s the whole dynamic. That’s the only two choices we have as members of the American electorate.

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        bashing on Harris and pushing false equivalence

        You claim the Ds and Rs are the same, but you can very clearly see that the Ds are in favor of 10% less infanticide.

        That’s the only two choices we have

        The genocidiers have us by the balls, folks. Nothing you can do but voice your full throated support for one of them.

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          So you’re saying I should still vote for infanticide? I don’t want that kind of blood on my hands. That’s the issue in the Trolley Problem.

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            I don’t want that kind of blood on my hands.

            The joke of the modern American electoral system is that all the “viable” candidates are bloody. And if you abstain from voting or vote third party, you’re accused of supporting the winning candidate, regardless of your personal politics.

            That is, I think, a big part of what drives the street protests. Americans who don’t want to be complicit in this barbarity have no other actionable way to express their condemnation.

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            Not voting is just allowing the worse option which still puts blood on your hands. Inaction still has consequences.

            We don’t live in a world where we have the ability to be completely pure, it’s an option that simply doesn’t exist unfortunately. :(

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          The path to ending the conflict is through boycotts, not the president. But that takes time, so 10% less killing makes sense as a stop gap.

          There is precedent for this. See apartheid South Africa. Palestinian freedom will seem impossible until it becomes inevitable.

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      “Voting is just a way to pick the person that will be sitting across from me at the negotiation table next year”, is one of the ways to think about it.

      Harris‘ policy on Israel is ambiguous, weak and too-little-too-late. But you’ll get further trying to influence her administration than Trump 2.0.

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        The ambiguity is ironically a good sign. That she isn’t outright committed to the status quo. But rather not willing to signal her actual position. If she came out strongly against Israel and for Palestine. Unfortunately that would be a large hindrance to her candidacy in the current climate.

        It’s a shame that those illegally occupying Palestine have such influence over our government. Especially after their terrorist attacks of the last few days. Not to mention the decades long slow genocide that’s only accelerated in the last year.

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      Sure, we can criticise Team Blue for slow-dragging their feet on protecting Palestinians.

      HA.

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      Biden isn’t dragging his feet…

      He’s moving at light ing speed (for his age) to support Israel’s genocide in anyway he can, including going around congress illegally to avoid a delay of just a few days.

      I just hate how all the blame is put on voters, it’s literally Kamala and her campaign teams job to get votes, and despite how much they hate the thought, that means giving Dem voters what Dem voters want.

      And they don’t want to be citizens of pretty much the only country still supporting the genocide by sending munitions. Especially when it’s a violation of the Legacy Lehey law and bare minimum we should be demanding Israel track the use of US supplied munitions.

      Like. You’re completely underselling the damage Biden and other party leaders are causing…

      And then claiming you can’t understand why people don’t like him or the party’s stance.

      Why dont you spend your time and effort trying to stop a genocide instead of telling people they have to support a genocide?

      Your way even if we win. Still a genocide.

      If we demand Kamala and party leadership stop breaking US and international law, and they actually listen

      Kamala could moonwalk into the oval office and Israel wouldn’t be able to continue their genocide.

      What’s so hard about picking the best path?

      We can stop trump and genocide or just stop trump.

      Seems like an easy choice to me

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        I mean if I understand you correctly you’re saying bascially the same thing as OP - can hold Biden/Harris feet to the fire while working to re-elect Kamala and defeat Trump.

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          And the fun part is these aren’t my words. These are the words of the “Uncommitted” faction that wants to hold Democrats’ feet to the fire. They’re saying that at the moment, there’s bigger fish to fry – a MAGAt movement that would make everything Team Blue has done look like child’s play in comparison. So, Mr. Give Some Fucks isn’t just arguing with me. He’s arguing with the guys and gals actually advocating for Palestinians.

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      Sure, we can criticise Team Blue for slow-dragging their feet on protecting Palestinians.

      Incredibly generous way to put it. They are providing the weapons that maim and kill the innocent children. I criticise them for the blood on their hands