At least a lot of soldiers in the Wehrmacht were conscripted under threat of immediate and brutal death. US veterans are arguably worse because basically all of them VOLUNTEERED to go kill millions of innocents, the best excuse they have for doing genocide is they want to go to college.
Even US draft dodgers e.g. during Vietnam had roughly 1-2% chance of being penalised at all. And that penalty was typically months in jail.
Yet if you ask a USAian to shoot the white kid next door for free college, I suspect that would be looked down upon (though as I type it, I’m starting to fear that would be disturbingly popularly received).
Even US draft dodgers e.g. during Vietnam had roughly 1-2% chance of being penalised at all. And that penalty was typically months in jail.
Draft dodging also virtually guaranteed you entry to a moderately less bad but still capitalist and imperialist country next door.
Except for Mohammed Ali
https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/-muhammad-ali-convicted-refusing-vietnam-draft
If said white kid next door was not a straight cis man or a (even perceived) communist that would probably be much more likely.
#notall
, just 50-100k officers so that could not plan another war. 
the white kid next door
they were no angel
I don’t hate them if they repent.
Recruiting ex-military comrades is vital to any revolutionary org. Doing it while not compromising your anti-imperialist stance is the challenge.step 1: never let them have organizational power or be in charge of anything more important than setting up chairs
write-in campaigns are whatever but he shouldn’t hold public office. trying to monkeywrench the military is good but his org is never going to do as much as the SOS guys during the vietnam war.
Exactly this. Work to end imperialism
I agree but repenting has to include more than just saying “that was bad, I was wrong, sorry,” otherwise it’s no different than IDF shoot and cry bullshit. You need to actually be an active participant in opposing US imperialism.
Despite my other comment, I do agree. We don’t all grow up immediately realising the truth of the world.
If you come to that truth late and truly, genuinely, work to help right the world, I’ll welcome you.
Always better late than never, and if we’re being honest with ourselves there’s so much work to be done that we really can’t afford to be unforgiving if we want to accomplish anything. They don’t have to be propped up as our greatest and most trusted comrades, just welcomed as comrades.
That’s why I always bring up Puyi. Almost nobody is actually beyond redemption. But we really do need to kill the “cult of the troop”
puyi was reformed years and years later, there’s no route to that kind of reeducation for US troops right now. their options are, at great personal cost: materially protesting, exposing warcrimes, stopping war crimes, defection, or treason.
so, Bushnell, Manning, or no recent examples, unless some of those people getting in trouble for selling information to china were troops.
Bushnell, Manning, or no recent examples
Not all will be high-profile. For example, some of the hosts and guests of Eyes Left are ex-military turned anarchists, and there’s the infamous " 'sup bootlickers" guy. Those aren’t exactly recent either, but my point is that one can redeem themselves without being imprisoned or in some other newsworthy situation
nah they gotta at least go out of their way to get in a fist fight with a recruiter for me to trust them. if they just get out and grow a conscience that shouldn’t be good enough for anyone else.
The problem is that Americans (including here) will take literally anything as repentance. Platner has never to my knowledge expressed actual regret for the imperialist violence he did. In fact he’s talked about how fun it is to fight in “little wars” and given a list of the ones he wishes he “got to” fight in. He also thinks he should receive more recognition and pay for the violence he did do, and wants to expand the armed forces! Yet people are backing him as the “lesser of two evils” and such.
I will be frank: I have seen the people - mostly kids, who are especially vulnerable to uxo - who are injured, maimed or killed in his “fun” little wars that he wishes he “got to” fight in. I have met those who have had every member of their immediate family murdered by men just like Platner. That’s what he wishes he got to engage in more of. He is literally an unapologetic, racist mass murderer, and the fact he only did it for the money does not make him better. He is unironically worse than the majority of IDF genocidaires, who at least don’t sign up for multiple tours with the IDF then go back as a mercenary when the IDF says they won’t send them in to do more murder.
There is no possible explanation for being okay with granting this man political power, no matter who his opponent is, that doesn’t hinge on regarding his victims as less than human. It is raw, unadulterated, American exceptionalist racism. And while that’s going to be a problem on any site with a large number of Americans it’s fucking depressing to see it here.
Yeh idk about planter enough to know his feelings but even aside from that the set of people I don’t hate is a lot larger than the set I’d give a politically powerful role.
:german-mud-wizard:
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Classic “Ukraine flag in bio” take
We need to convince US veterans to document and post all their war crimes on social media like the IDF did.
Let’s set up a moneypot operation where anyone betting the “over” on war crimes on Kalshi gets instantly drone-striked.
I think it would have the same effect in America as it does in Israel.
Chelsea Manning was an analyst who leaked war crimes and paid dearly for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning (sorry for fedopedia link)
Hate how Americans refuse to see their troops as they materially exist as willing mercenaries of imperialism.
comparing wehmarcht to the US military is not a good comparison bc the wehrmacht were drafted while the US military chooses to join out of selfish reasons. in my opinion after WW2 there is no excuse. the vietnam war was very unpopular and you could leave to canada or opt to go to jail.
if @LegitTayUpdates can do it you so could your uncle
Ukraine flag in bio always tells us what we need to know. Never proven wrong.
🔞 but it’s the age limit of the people they support the killing of
American veterans are all suckers and losers
fuck the troops
Hasan orbiter fr
Not all Hasan fans but always a Hasan fan
the difference is that non-ameriKKKans are movie props for my tragic academy award past, not people
no more half measures walter
Caveat: Even post-conscription, there are still people who get into the military out of ignorance[1]. If you’re a vet who has become an anti-war activist out of disgust, you can gain my respect. But any proud or indifferent veteran post-WWII? Atrocious, as in ‘atrocity’.
Joined the marines out of high school for college, I’m defending for my PhD where my topic is III-V renewable energy on Tuesday. I’m not an activist but I feel like that counts.
Nope
Do you disavow the United States military in its entirety?
