Surely satire right?
Honestly, I doubt it’s satire.
Remember that there are a ton of junior developers out of work thanks to AI bullshit, which means a lot of desperate people willing to take low salaries. Especially if they replaced a full time employee with a contractor or someone working remotely from, eg, India or the Philippines.
The limitation of ‘simple code’ makes me think it has to be a joke, since it’s the opposite of usual expectations.
If it’s too expensive for simple code, it’s too expensive for all code.
To the extent it gets expensive, it’s more likely with higher end code.
I love watching people discussing AI taking over programmer jobs. I mean I hate that its happening and wish it would just stop, but I still like watching the general tone change.
it can never. Its science fiction
well ok kinda but it can never understand what its doing, it can only parrot semi random code that looks right
well ok it can do some properly but it can never do the job well enough to replace us
well ok but its too expensive
Multiple things can be true at once.
The scenario where it was incredibly expensive for a task at work was because someone rigged it to do it until all the tests pass, and it got in a loop where it never passed. So they spent a lot of money to get nowhere.
This is the workaround for it not being very good that drives expense. It’s not expensive to generate code once, but it frequently fails. There a non zero chance that a retry with stuff about the failure in the context window will work, so the current situation is you are supposed to have the correct state as perfectly modeled with test cases, example implementation, whatever and then rig it to retry until it works. Which is a lot of work, frequently impossible to really do, and frequently still ends in failure so in practice you probably should cap it at 3 or 4 retries.
But this particular thread discussed cost, so other issues were off topic.
It makes sense to me… I use a very heavy framework that ensures my agent doesn’t lose context about the systems I develop. But that means every change goes through a big long pipeline and if all you want to do is change a few lines of code then maybe a junior dev is the right fit for that specific task?
Agentic coding would still have the context issues of changing code whether it’s AI or a human: somebody changed something, how do you record that for the next person. You either log it in memory or point it to the git PR, either way it needs to surface the changes.
So yeah, if AI is too expensive to code small problems for a given company than it’s too expensive for them period.
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Except now everyone is getting paid less
This is exactly what it is for.
It is to scare tech workers to accept lesser salary.
LLM is just great at fooling people to think it is greater at something than it actually is.
LLM is just great at fooling people to think it is greater at something than it actually is.
Oh, so AI is coming for my job specifically.
For those asking / pronouncing this has to be satire, perhaps. But not for long. AI is still not making a profit. So whatever it costs today at the growth-at-all-costs subsidized rate, think how much more expensive it will be when investors start insisting on profit after market consolidation*.
Because if you think there is a competitive barrier to entry for smartphones, operating systems, CPUs, and streaming services, you ain’t seen NOTHING yet
They’re spending $3 per $1 of revenue. The price per token will rise dramatically.
I suspect it’s even worse than that.
A Claude Max subscription is $200 a month, which is roughly $7 a day. I’m forced to use Claude Code at work, and I frequently run the /usage command out of morbid curiosity to see how many tokens in wasting. I’m not exactly a power user, but even with my bare-minimum usage I typically burn about $50 of tokens per day — so roughly 7 times that $7 a day figure.
And that’s just based on Anthropic’s official per-token pricing, which itself is almost certainly subsidized… so it’s likely I’m costing them something closer to $20-$30 for every $1 of revenue. And again, I’m only using it for the bare minimum. I know people with much higher usage than me.
Similar boat, lots of people on the loss-leading phase, ‘the first hit is free/cheap’ is in play and I know development organizations that are explicitly designing hard dependencies on hosted AI as the ‘foundation’ of their processes. They are going for mainframe-style lockin where customers are too scared to change when it gets too expensive.
I know one organization that at least is being more careful, their LLM usage is only based on whatever they can run indefinitely on-premise without sweating future traps around pricing changes.
Yeah. I would prefer to work at an organization that uses no AI at all, but at the very least companies should be moving to on-prem local models so that they don’t suddenly get rug-pulled the moment the investment cash runs out and AI firms are forced to raise prices or die.
I’ve been yelling this at my own org for months, but no one cares.
Move fast and break things, even if the thing you’re breaking is your own fucking business…
We also have that energy shortage problem right now.
Congrats on LLM agents on the promotion. One day maybe they’ll even make it to management.
Junior Developer doesn’t boil oceans to do their job
Not with that attitude.
depends. do they work in corporate or consulting?
This has to be a joke
It is a joke. But also entirely plausible.
Well, it’s plausible but not ‘just’ for simple code.
Generally if the operator is dead set on AI sorting it out, and the AI gets into a loop of failure it burns through tokens and turns what should have been a cheap modification to a codebase into a multi-thousand dollar failure in a fairly short time. The more extraneous code there is for it to potentially incidentally mess with, the more likely it breaks test cases and goes back to perturb the codebase again hoping to fix it, but just breaking a different set of test cases.
Not really. Local models are pretty decent for simple tasks. The hardware to run them costs less than a month’s salary.
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that is not a morale building tweet
no they will just hire a senior engineer, and have a bunch of low wages from eastern europe or south america to do the work.
You ain’t getting no cheap labour from eastern europe these days!
Capitalism…so innovative
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Satire is dead, reality is absurd. Imagine how actual boomers are processing the world right now? Why do you think fox news is taken seriously by half the population?
*Americunt population and *Americunt boomers.
And the reason is because your education sucks and those listening to fox news are literally illiterate.
Sorry to break it to you, but this problem is not limited to the US. The US is just a really big and obvious example.
Yes the whole world believes Fox news…
Typical Americunts believing the rest of the world is as fucked up or worse.
there have been people in my country who, when confronted with the choice between voting for a candidate that promised to legalise same-sex civil union and a candidate that praised a dictator that was allied with nazi germany during world war 2 and said the west is putting microchips in soda, chose the latter
the second candidate was predicted to win before the election was cancelled (and later the candidate banned) due to russian connections
i have seen teachers talk about how great the current president of the united states is, the ruler of a country half a continent and an ocean away
Exactly what I said, good job on your reading comprehension.
LOL, you remind me of my ex.
Good job on your reading comprehension.
If it wasn’t clear, I was being sarcastic about the rest of the world being as bad or worse than the shithole USA.
Here’s that lack of education showing.
I have a feeling she made a great decision.
Edit: Since you edited to add more, I was being extremely sarcastic due to your general attitude. Please work on your own ability to read before commenting on others.
