Here is the starting comments
I think speech on the issue of killing zionists is more serious than Star Trek and cum farts, because there’s a war actively going on. And killing Zionist civilians during a war is starting to sound pretty war-crimey. We should only be killing Zionist soldiers.
after someone points out that saying kill all zionists is the same as saying kill all nazis
Schindler, the list guy, was a Nazi. And he saved a thousand Jewish people from the Nazis. I don’t think Schindler ought have been killed. Plus there’s Operation Paperclip. They recruited Nazi scientists to work at NASA and help get a man on the moon. I’m not educated enough to understand the full ramifications of Paperclip, but it seems like a decent idea.
But all of that is kinda besides the point, because Netanyahu has a very different propaganda strategy to Hitler. A more sophisticated one. Netanyahu wants there to be extremists who would see him dead. He funded Hamas during the last Gazan election, because of their violent rhetoric. There is serious evidence that he and the government knew about October 7 and deliberately allowed it to happen by suspending the border patrols during the crucial hours. He’s got a plan.
Israel thrives on the violent rhetoric of its opponents, because they want to call us terrorists. That is why we must conduct ourselves with the appropriate restraint to beat these allegations. Luminous’ rhetoric sounds terrorist-y. They’re advocating for the killing of civilians. That’s terrorism. We need to be better than that, or we can’t win the propaganda war and gather allies.
linko https://mander.xyz/post/50871498/26690299
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Okay, I’ll switch to talking about the big man himself.
It is a wonderful thing that Hitler killed himself. It was a PR blessing for the allies, because it prevented him from becoming a martyr. If Hitler had not killed himself, I do not think he should have been given the death penalty. I am against killing Hitler unless he was an active combatant. I think Hitler should have been given life in prison, because I am against the death penalty in all circumstances. And it would have made him a martyr.
Likewise, Netanyahu should not be killed. He should be given a fair trial, which I believe should reach a verdict of life in prison. I don’t want Netanyahu martyred, I don’t want to spend tons of money on his death row, I just want to put him in a room where he can’t hurt anyone until he dies of old age.
We have a precedent that keeping leaders who try to conquer all of Europe alive has a 50% success rate on stopping them. Napoleon came back after getting exiled the first time. Do you think that 50% chance of Hitler coming back would be acceptable? Hell no.
I propose a compromise, a good centrist position I think that we can all support: We should abolish the death penalty, right after everyone on my list goes against the wall.
“not an active combatant”
What an unhinged take. Leaders shouldn’t face consequences unless they choose to also put themselves at risk is just wild peasant brain
The reverse of just following orders.
“I was just giving orders, I didnt actually do any of them.”
“…and those crazy bastards actually did it, can you believe it?!”
BYOB song changing the meaning
Why don’t presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?
Because losers like this one will defend them!!!
I also don’t like the death penalty. Plus, I don’t believe the death of Hitler ended Naziism in Germany and definitely not across the world. I’m not saying Hitler didn’t deserve to die or even that killing him wasn’t a good thing, though. We didn’t have any kind of system that could have rehabilitated him, and I don’t think he even would have taken to rehabilitation. I think of, like, the Chinese emperor who was made into just another citizen, though I don’t actually know the history behind that, so it’s possible that’s not a comparable thought. Long story short, I’m not trying to say we should’ve let him live, but if it were possible to avoid killing him (or anyone) I feel that’d be preferable.
wait i agree, hitler shouldn’t have killed hitler. Stalin and FDR should’ve ripped out his heart like a double temple of doom and shaken hands through the cavity.
Meanwhile Churchill screams at them
Churchill live reaction:
Churchill live reaction:
Schindler killed by partisan activity unaware of his extracurricular side would be justified, yes, and he would have recognized it as such. But if he didn’t, that would justify it even more, non?
Like it’s trivial moral dilemma without information, lest you assume every ss member has a side hustle saving people actually
What the fuck is soulism?
The purest possible idealism
What SpookyBogMonster said, it’s people thinking that if they play pretend hard enough, they can ignore the fundamental laws of reality.
As you could imagine, people like that are quite suggestible and generally not doing too well, so they’re easily exploited. That’s why that user, Grail, claims to be a Soulist now, so they can manipulate this community of extremely idealistic people into believing fucked up stuff (like the Nazis being not so bad)
I think it’s some guy’s pet “anarchist” ideology where they believe that the laws of physics are oppressive?
Might be confusing that with another weird Lemmy instance though
I legit thought this was a post from a video game forum
Everyone is 12 now, everything is video games.
So what they’re saying is that if you capture the leader of the most brutal best-organised and best-armed murder cult of the world, making him a martyr would have worst consequences than being at risk of him being rescued by his followers, takeover the prison thanks to his allies inside, getting media attention or at the very least smuggling his writings out of prison so they keep inspiring them
Lethal dose of idealism
And with how many Nazi leaders they later pardoned after Nürnberg…
Yeah some Soviet comrade should have been afforded the euphoric catharsis of being the one to personally execute the sniveling coward while he begged for his life on his knees. Honestly the only thing I respect about Hitler is the fact he understood there was zero chance that he was not going to be executed when captured. He was entirely aware of the depravity of his crimes and that nothing could ever absolve him.
He was entirely aware of the depravity of his crimes and that nothing could ever absolve him.
Not really. Allende also killed himself to avoid capture, and he wasn’t a depraved criminal.
Allende’s enemies were depraved criminals though and falling into their hands is worse than even death. West and their puppets usually are like this, remember deaths of Che or Gaddafi or Ceausescu or Khamanei (not even fallen into enemy hands but they killed his family as consolation prize) or even Hussein?
Actually yes death to America and all its presidents too.
Netanyahu has a very different propaganda strategy to Hitler. A more sophisticated one.
Meh, I think it’s mostly different because we live in a world with social media and just pretending shit isn’t happening only works to a point. That’s why tech and legislators are now so panicked to add ID checks and stronger content control to apps and websites.
Yep. I recommend this Zionist or Nazi quiz. The propaganda is eerily similar, not “more sophisticated”.
Banality of evil etc etc
What Axis apologist would want one of the heads of state to get life in prison?
It’s simple: it’s the paradox of tolerance. You can give everyone a chance until you start giving intolerance a chance and then it all goes to hell.
If you kill Nazis, you’re just like the Nazis! I am very smart. And also sectarianism baiting because fuck it why not.
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CW for ableism in the screenshot?
