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Smooshing events together is normal when you look back at the past, but those of us who witnessed 9/11 as adults know that “Never forget” came later. The immediate response was that if you stay home and hide, the “terrists” win. The big message was, “Act normal, keep shopping!” Same as with COVID. “Don’t let this affect your spending habits” is always the oligarchy’s reassuring response to bad news. Don’t let this little bump in the road hurt profits. They pulled out the “never forget” card later when they decided to turn a terrorist act by a fringe group into an excuse for more military spending.
If only there was a vaccine for terrorism/falseflag/warhawks pick what you like
Owner class don’t care if you, some peasant, dies. It’s their control getting threatened that gets them motivated.
And besides, the air filters at your kids’ private academy are better than the hospitals the poors use, never mind the public schools!
It’s like that with everything. If a catastrophe can be capitalized, it will. 911 was extremely profitable for the MIC, imperialism, etc. Covid was only profitable to big pharma. The state values global violence far more than the health of any population.
Plenty of other sectors profited also from covid, an excuse to make everything more expensive and never cheaper when it ends.
Same with that ship that blocked the Suez Canal for a short time.Except if other capital interests stand in the way of a new market.
Clean energy is extremely lucrative, but dirty energy still has money.
911 = never forget Covid = die for the economy Trump 2nd Term = who cares about the economy anyway?
I think I have whiplash at this piont.
The difference between security measures and medical measures: the lack of the latter kills peasants, the presence of the former suppresses them. Win-win, if you a wealthy ghoul who thinks the poors are filthy takers.
There’s a vocal subset of people here who like to act as if Covid is still the same threat it was five years ago. The pandemic is over, because Covid is endemic now. It just always is there. Like the common flu was before Covid. And the Covid variants these days are very much on a similar level to the flu. Trying to build some conspiratorial narrative out of that makes you sound insane.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/beyond-long-covid-1.7485888
“There is no such thing as a COVID infection without consequence,” says long COVID researcher, David Putrino[…].
So there is a cumulative effect that can be occurring with each infection.
Early in the pandemic, we actually published a paper where we showed that, even in animal models — when we infected mice with a very, very mild case of SARS-CoV-2 infection — which only caused lung inflammation, we still saw these inflammatory chemicals called chemokines emerging from the infected lungs and starting to attack central nervous system structures such as the spinal cord and the brain.
[…]You know, this is a virus that, once it enters the body, is very capable of entering the bloodstream, creating immune responses that travel all over the body.
It disrupts what we call “interferon signalling,” which is part of the immune system that helps you to fight off infections or latent infections, such as Epstein Barr virus.
Typically our immune system can keep these things suppressed, but when SARS-CoV-2 enters the picture, it starts to cause altered interferon signalling. It causes immune damage and dysregulation.
And suddenly, not only does your body have trouble clearing the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself, but it also starts to have trouble keeping some of these other viruses that have been latent from reactivating and causing problems.
In addition to SARS-CoV-2’s ability to dysregulate the immune system and suppress the immune system, the spike protein itself is very damaging to blood vessel structures as well as red blood cells and platelets themselves.
And so between those two features, the ability to dysregulate the immune system and the ability to cause systemic damage throughout the bloodstream, you have a very dangerous novel virus on your hands.
Not being the same threat is largely due to vaccines which are being restricted, and it being a different threat doesn’t mean it’s no threat.
Also, it is still a pandemic, only the emergency phase ended.
It stopped being a pandemic once it became endemic. Or do you argue that we’re in a flu pandemic because it comes back every year? And sure, the vaccines did help a lot. But the virus that causes Covid also mutated into less severe strains. Just like with the flu, there can always be a more deadly mutation again. But right now the current strains and the fact that almost everybody had it and/or got vaccinated make Covid about as bad as the seasonal flu. And just like the flu it keeps being monitored, vaccines get updated and should it come back in force, we are much better equipped than in 2020.
Upvoting you because I agree that some voices need to process the shift to endemic.
But I also agree with the tweet that low cost systematic changes should still be underway to lower overall viral burden, or soften the blow of the next pandemic.
I don’t know if HEPA filters in public institutions is actually effective, so I suppose the argument hinges on that; is there actually low hanging fruit like that?
Oh, I agree with that too! That should just be a normal thing, enabling kids to still learn together with their peers. I was so damn glad when the restrictions were lifted, because I saw the awful effect social segregation was having on my kids. For offices, remote work should be a right for any job where it’s possible and not something out feudal lords have to grant.
Working with preschoolers, there was a point last year where I realized that every single kid I work with was born post-Covid. It was a wild relevation, but since part of my job is teaching social skills, at least these kids won’t skip a beat because of it. I just feel for their older siblings.
And the Covid variants these days are very much on a similar level to the flu.
They’re not. Many of the variants that exist now last for weeks. I don’t know of any flu symptoms that don’t go way basically on their own within a week or so.
Then you never had proper influenza. That shit took me out harder than Covid. It’s a matter of luck and in the beginning Covid was more serious than most influenza strains. But they became more harmless. Which doesn’t mean that you can’t run out of luck and have a severe case of Covid. But over the entire population Covid is on a similar level as influenza.
the fact that a post like this still has people in the comments acting like COVID is in the past and 1k ppl in the US alone aren’t dying of it every week. COVID literally hasn’t gone anywhere all of you have just closed your eyes to the consequences of your actions.
Looking at the CDC numbers[1] for the week of May 10, 2025, I see 201 deaths attributed to Covid and 2465 attributed to a group consisting of Covid, pneumonia and influenza (in other words 2264 deaths attributed to pneumonia or influenza). Yes, people die of Covid every week. People will continue to die from Covid forever. Because Covid is now endemic. It will always be a part of our lives now, just like influenza has been for probably a few thousand years. Just because Covid came up during your lifetime doesn’t mean it’s in any way special. It’s just another virus we will have to deal with now. And unlike some other viruses we actually have vaccines against Covid. Take tuberculosis for example. That fucking thing has probably killed more humans than anything else. We’re talking >1 million deaths every year and that’s a historic low. Just get a fucking grip on reality.
I think the major difference between even just Influenza and Covid is, that Covid continues to have a greater disease burden than influenza and a higher percentage of people with post-acute sequela of different forms and is less restricted to the winter months, having roughly two waves per year.
All together, why should we not implement strategies to reduce these numbers of deaths and disabilities? Especially if they would, in the case of better air filtration and ventilation also help tackle future occurances of airborne pathogens.
I’m reading posts as yours thankful to still find some people with common sense. I lost friends to covid while others kept ranting about nonsensical conspiracy theories and proudly rebelling. One of the dumbest shit I’ve heard people say is “Why should I wear a mask for covid if I don’t wear one for flu?”. Well, if you actually gave a damn about anyone’s wellbeing you’d wear a mask for BOTH.
19k people die in us yearly just because they use a gas cooker.
Dont look up how many die per year from regular flu. Covid is over and its a small disease like any other now.
Exactly.
In the US Covid has become a political issue.
After the omicron? variant or whatever one that was harmless and even not noticable to most healthy people ost countries went back to normal.
When I saw images from the US with many people wearing masks outdoors literally years later and I asked why I got immediately attacked as a bleach injecting Trumper.
I’m European. And the US is fucked up in many ways.Did you inject the bleach into your brain? Because this uninformed, selfish statement would sure fit right in this dumpster fire of the USA
LOL
Yes, practically all governments in the world and their experts are misinformed.
Only the blue US MAGA cult is right bcs they must do the opposite of the red MAGA cult even to the absurd.
You are a joke.https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/beyond-long-covid-1.7485888
“There is no such thing as a COVID infection without consequence,” says long COVID researcher, David Putrino[…].
So there is a cumulative effect that can be occurring with each infection.
Early in the pandemic, we actually published a paper where we showed that, even in animal models — when we infected mice with a very, very mild case of SARS-CoV-2 infection — which only caused lung inflammation, we still saw these inflammatory chemicals called chemokines emerging from the infected lungs and starting to attack central nervous system structures such as the spinal cord and the brain.
[…]You know, this is a virus that, once it enters the body, is very capable of entering the bloodstream, creating immune responses that travel all over the body.
It disrupts what we call “interferon signalling,” which is part of the immune system that helps you to fight off infections or latent infections, such as Epstein Barr virus.
Typically our immune system can keep these things suppressed, but when SARS-CoV-2 enters the picture, it starts to cause altered interferon signalling. It causes immune damage and dysregulation.
And suddenly, not only does your body have trouble clearing the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself, but it also starts to have trouble keeping some of these other viruses that have been latent from reactivating and causing problems.
In addition to SARS-CoV-2’s ability to dysregulate the immune system and suppress the immune system, the spike protein itself is very damaging to blood vessel structures as well as red blood cells and platelets themselves.
And so between those two features, the ability to dysregulate the immune system and the ability to cause systemic damage throughout the bloodstream, you have a very dangerous novel virus on your hands.
The shift in conversations on Lemmy after people fled Reddit is so glaringly obvious.
“X or Y? Pssh. How can you even consider something I don’t personally understand? Much prefer to voice an ignorant opinion.”
It really is. Lately, people here are so quick to either attack, or assume they’re being attacked. Someone just accused me of “lashing out” yesterday for explaining why a mobility solution they put forward for disabled people wouldn’t work for two disabled people that I personally know. No insults, no accusations, I even outright said “I sympathize” with the other commenter and their goals. I thought I worded my point in a neutral way, but someone still took offense so… I don’t know what else to say.
I figure it’s a trauma response from being entrenched in Reddit. Like people are primed to expect a fight and don’t know how to process a calm, ordinary conversation online anymore.
I really enjoyed the prior Lemmy wherein people led with their expertise, or approached conversation as an opportunity to learn.
This new paradigm of “my emotional impulse is equal to your knowledge” is definitely a decline, imo.
Claiming COVID is no worse than the flu demonstrate absolute no expertise though. There’s no both sides to such a misinformed comment.
3k people died in 9/11 in the USA. 1 million people died of covid in the USA. But what people are outraged about is civil liberties. (“The other COVID reckoning” by Scott Alexander.)
9/11 brought billions of money to the rich and was a good excuse to arm the government to better oppress the working class.
Covid was the same.
I dont see your problem. /s
What I’m trying to say is all of this is just a way to maximize power at the top, always has been.
Please join unions and vote left.
except most unions aren’t doing shit for covid workplace safety. that doesn’t mean unions are bad, just ignorant
Unions would do that if more people who cared about it joined unions and pushed for it. Unions only work if you’re actively doing stuff in them. It’s democracy, it only works so long as you partake.
OK, let’s say I’m disabled and I wanna partake in said democracy. I show up to the union meeting and everyone is unmasked, there’s no air filtration or ventilation. am I just supposed to put myself at risk of infection until the union members get their shit together? that might take months to years during which I can’t afford to be repeatedly reinfected.
this is not hypothetical, I’ve been part of multiple leftist spaces where my only options are to leave or to put myself at risk of harassment when I hand everyone N95s because I’m being “pushy”.
Mm. You’re describing someone very dear to me, because of whom I wear an n95 mask every day.
People you describe fight an uphill battle, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. They can ask for accommodations, but a lot of people won’t meet them. Meetings can be held digitally, of course, and one can advocate for oneself digitally as well. In time they can hope to win allies, and with them also get advocates that are willing to help amplify their voice.
I’m sorry, but I don’t have any good solutions. The world is neither kind or fair, the best we can hope for is to build communities with people that empathise and see us.
I wish you the very best.
I’m glad you understand, thanks for the reply.
I’m also glad you reached the point I wanted to make, that people like me become extremely cynical when unions are brought up as a solution because even with digital access we’re still seen as second class members. they’re not gonna invest as many resources in the digital meetings because there’s no incentive to
I think it’d be hard not to get cynical when in such a situation. It’s why it’s so important to amplify the voices of marginalised people and bring them into the fold, they have needs as a society we need to see to them. It really shouldn’t be that hard. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t realise that being healthy and able-bodied is a temporary state, and at some point or other we’re all going to need some form of support.
We all benefit from ensuring it’s there.
I agree. Regular unions arent my personal favorite either.
But that is why you can choose where to go and which union to join.
Try and join a base democratic union and watch your decisions be the only things that are done.
Our problem isnt that unions dont do our bidding. It is that we dont support those that do and that is by design. We’re taught from a young age to not express our thoughts and wishes, to stay calm in the face of injustice. Of course people are angry and desperate.
I suggest you read about subversive groups and what is happening around the world in terms of turning these things around.
I chose to vote middle since the left parties seem to have no idea of how taxes work and will fuck me over even more than the tax system already does. Edit: I am in the lower middleclass
I took a moment and checked if i can pinpoint where youre roughly located so I can understand your point.
From what I see you seem to be somewhere around dach (germany, austria, switzerland) or the netherlands (which would fit the nl tld youre using). I’m not privy to the situation in all countries but leftism is A LOT more than taxes.
There also is no lower middle class, not even a middle class. There are working class people and capitalists. If the existence of your fellow humans is completely unimportant to you, it is still good for you to vote left: everything positive in the regions i just mentioned is socialist in nature. Universal healthcare is socialist in nature, affordable rent, unemoloyment benefits, public restrooms, public playgrounds, public baths, etc.
If the individual party is trustworthy is something that you need to determine. I can try and help but voting middle in this day and age is not the solution at all.
I am in NL and in the previous election the left where absolute trash which if their plans would continue they would destroy me.
The middle party was way better for the middle class. And yes that exists. They actually went for a more fair progressive tax system and would be able to pay for universal healthcare
I dont have the power today to explain the middle class lie to you but if you want to read about current situation worldwide.
But from a short wikipedia read, you dont have an actual leftist party. The socialist party of the netherlands does not look leftist to me tbh.
Remember that we Dutch are pretty direct and don’t overexeccurate that much. So yes we have leftist parties.
Also yes we have a lower, middle and upper class. Basically lower is people who uses social security, middle is people who themselves don’t receive anything anymore and upper is well the rich
I dont think i understand the point about exaggerating (did you mean that?).
You dont have a leftist party like what I’m talking about. One that wants to abolish hierarchies between people. One that guarantees food and shelter for everyone, no matter where they are from.
The socialist party of the entherlands, at least from my short read, wants to stop immigration and identity politics, both are right wing takes.
Your idea of many classes is exactly what actual leftists are trying to get out of your head because it is detrimental to you.
People who receive say unemployment benefits arent another class. They simply dont have a job. Dividing people into classes makes them weak and conquerable.
If you have to sell your time for money, you are working class, like all others. Currently, this working class is under attack by the capital. Incomes for the mahority of people is not going up and by dividing us into many classes we can be told this doesnt concern us.
This leads to folks driving a ferrari through a part of the city where people starve on the streets. That is a sign of fully deleted empathy to your fellow humans.
Actual leftists have the sole goal of destroying homelessness and hunger. Thats what we do.
You dont have a leftist party like what I’m talking about. One that wants to abolish hierarchies between people. One that guarantees food and shelter for everyone, no matter where they are from.
The left parties here generally do want everybody to have the basic necessities, they are generally pretty shortsighted in where to get the money from to fund that.
Your idea of many classes is exactly what actual leftists are trying to get out of your head because it is detrimental to you.
Why? It is fact that you have multiple classes. I see it on a daily basis (I work in finances) and people have different goals in life based on where they sit. There are other ways of looking at it, like working class and not-working class or whatever, but that’s nothing more than a different opinion.
People who receive say unemployment benefits arent another class. They simply dont have a job. Dividing people into classes makes them weak and conquerable.
There is way more social security than just unemployment benefits. There is a massive amount of people who (need) to live of social security. Who cannot work because they are suck, or well they are in between jobs or whatever. We need to financially support those people, but it shouldn’t be the case that if you start to work, you get less money than when not working. That is currently an issue since social security stops at certain incomes and if often happens that people who barely get out of the social security system get less money. But in the tax system those people are different than the working class who receive none and generally they have a different look at social security because they marginally (taxes they pay plus the loss of social security) pay a lot of taxes (up to 80% or something like that even when earning like 30k a year).
If you have to sell your time for money, you are working class, like all others. Currently, this working class is under attack by the capital. Incomes for the mahority of people is not going up and by dividing us into many classes we can be told this doesnt concern us.
I believe that you are forgetting that a lot of the working class is also the part that is causing stress on the capital or whatever you want to call it. There is an economic flaw in the current system of always wanting more salaries wanting more profit, revenue etc. Most people have savings which banks invest into companies to then generate a profit or people do it together.
This leads to folks driving a ferrari through a part of the city where people starve on the streets. That is a sign of fully deleted empathy to your fellow humans.
Just because somebody owns or drives a Ferrari doesn’t mean they don’t care for others? We had a client who had to win in advice here how to give money anonymously to a food bank. The dude is pretty dang rich (a couple 100k euro to spend a year), but generally does things like that on a regular basis.
Actual leftists have the sole goal of destroying homelessness and hunger. Thats what we do.
No, that’s YOUR opinion on what leftists sole goal is. I have talked to others who’s main goal it is to create a better environment for war victims, which in turn causes more people to be here. Most people shouldn’t really be homeless in The Netherlands unless their either choose to be homeless (some people do, but they might be sick, idk) or the more realistic case of them falling in between the social security benefits due to the current structure. Which is also the reason why sometimes working more or getting a pay raise will result in less money to spend in a given moment. UBI will fix that, but we need to get that and fund it. Or people who went into shit with the company or just generally don’t make a lot of money from their company. Those get barely any support from the government.
In theory, the minimum income somebody should have if they would be homeless is a bit more than 2k a month.
In a lot of countries (like the US f.e.) there are no middle parties so then I can understand that people either not vote or vote for what they feel like is the lesser of two evil. I have the ability to vote on the person I feel like will do the best job in the parties that will do the best job. And even those I am more middle aligned I am also for getting actually rid of hunger/homelessness etc. But I also want people to be able to run a company (not a massive corporation) and be able to make it so they can live of that company. I feel like a lot of parties (and people) just have a general hate against companies unless you specifically mention that it is the local bakery or something.
I also don’t believe in you are either left or either right or whatever. People can have opinions and make statements, and those statements can make a person more left leaning or more right leaning. The most important part is that we make sure everybody has basic needs, but also to impact peoples lives in a way that benefits them fairly. And there are different ways of doing it and going into it in an extreme way generally doesn’t help.
a virus “hurt” and scared capitalists far more than some planes did; war is profit, pandemic is not.
The pandemic frightened the status quo because for the first time in decades the working masses were forced to pause their grind and consider how we live. And the vast majority of people realized they absolutely hate it.
Which is why “the money” immediately began pushing to crack the whip ASAP to get people back in line, back producing surplus value, and back focused only on the myopic necessities of now.
The pandemic should have been a watershed moment for Labor, and maybe it was- but the Trump administration is actively imploding the economy on all sides now, so there’s very little hope for economic upturn in the next few years. We are in a dark time.
complete agreement here; sad times indeed.
Traumatic event > emotion > propagandized media response > wealth being funneled towards capitalists
Y’all need the get on the sigma grindset, when tragedy strikes, don’t get sad, don’t emotionally process, just figure out how you can use it to manipulate people and make money
/s
pro tip: manufacture both tragedy and consent for the war in response! now we’re cookin’ with gas!
that can’t be true since then they’d do more to prevent future pandemics no?
would “they”? I mean eventually a pandemic becomes profitable by proxy; a thinned and sick labor pool with shit healthcare (USA) will work for a fraction of what they would before, just to not end up homeless or worse.
Brown people are scarier than an invisible virus.
Boo!
AAGHHH
I see the point but I do want to remind the infrequent fliers that you can bring nail clippers on planes now, and you’ve been able to for a long time.
Family occasionally visits and asks if they can borrow clippers when they arrive and im like “sure, but you can just bring your own.” Like what, are you going to hijack a plane with toe nail clippers!?
Do they still yell at you to take your shoes off, unless you have taken your shoes off in which case they yell at you because you took your shoes off, because today on this particular flight right now, they don’t want you to take your shoes off. Tomorrow who knows.
I wouldn’t mind so much but they’re also obnoxious.
At one TSA gate they told me “all electronics out of your bag, yes, it’s the same as it’s been every day”
…“yeah but at the OTHER airport they told me take NOTHING out of your bag.”
I get that they have to repeat it every day and people still don’t comply, but even the compliant people might not remember the rules of a particular airport. It’s got to be a frustrating job.
If someone can hijack a plane with nail clippers, they can do it without the nail clippers.
Apparently it’s possible to hijack a plane with any liquid over 200 mL.
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Last time I’ve flown with my swiss army knife. They checked the blade length at the metal gates, all ok.
I accidentally brought wire cutters in my carry on before boarding a flight in Florida. They measured the blade length and laughed and let me through, after I immediately told them they could throw them away. Then during my trip I forgot all about them. When I went to board my return flight the person immediately confiscated them.
I have this thing called a Utili-Key which is a little multi-tool and knife that folds up into a key shape that goes on your keyring. I’ve flown with it multiple times without TSA noticing, but I had to get rid of it when I went to see a Philadelphia 76ers game. Nothing could be more TSA than a fucking basketball game being more secure than a flight.
How’d you get rid of it for the game, while still having it now?
Ah, the old “you can’t throw away your cake and eat it too” conundrum.
I bought a replacement Utili-Key, they’re only $5 or so. Actually I bought a bunch since they occasionally come off the keyring and vanish. Make nice little gifts, too.
The 9/11 attacks were a reason to send troops to the middle east. COVID was not.
reasonexcuse to send troops to the Middle East.Even worse, the attackers were from the Middle East, but the US sent troops into Asia, to Afghanistan.
The 9/11 attacks were a reason to send troops to the middle east.
And roll back personal freedoms, which contrasts greatly with the hub-bub so many people made about their “personal freedom” to cough all over people without consequence.
Missed opportunity to start a total war on the pangolins (or bats or whatever it was)
I’m joining the war on bats.
On the side of drugs.
A Batman villain in the making!
Airport strip searches allow oppression of the people by the government.
Mask mandates do not.
