Mm… So how is Intel Arc driver support on Linux theses days? And what’s their stance on AI?
Seems a lot like they’re trolling their former market base.
I haven’t understood why people have selected Nvidia GPUs over AMDs at all but I’m a Linux guy so fuck me.
Last time I had one of their cards, they had an ATI logo. Blender is why I’m still getting team green.
I was considering leaving green card team then the whole gpus being more expensive thing happened. I got Nvidia cards originally because they were better and stuck with them for a few generations.
Features and drivers optimization. AMD is a fine wine so any launch is usually a disaster. nVidia usually have a better launch support. However over time, their support does get worse and worse for older hardware (if you’re on windows)
I am loyal to no company. They simply made the more fitting product for me: better Linux drivers and more VRAM.
I always heavily roll my eyes when people on Reddit, or whatever, are like “I [finally] joined team Red”. Like bro, the trillion dollar company isn’t a damn team, they don’t give a fuck about you.
I push Intel B580 in my builds for precisely this reason. And you know how many have regretted my recommendations? Fucking zero.
Preenshittified is always better. That division is hungry and uncomfortable.
Someone had to say it
I’ll take anything affordable, dependable, and can encode video and quickly in addition to gaming. I still have a 2080 super or something like that and have zero hope of upgrading.
Why would I think a company would be there? Did I hit myself enough in the head to have beocme a gamerrr!?
I wanted to get a thread ripper like my cat. Tech companies, all of them suck ass; tech in general. It just stopped being fun at a certain point and became a nuisance.
For me it was when phones started competing over who could get the smallest bezels.
They obviously stopped giving any shits about what consumers really wanted and just went to making superficial changes that would let everyone know you aren’t on the latest phone.
That’s a distraction. Part of the dark side was with removable batteries were gotten rid of because the phones are always on(while off). So now you have three(or more) cameras that one can take a wide angle, one can take shot of you, one can take close angle of whatever. A microphone. GPS and Bluetooth and WiFi(don’t look into how that’s used now). Add in your browsing history and etc, welcome to fun! I don’t recommend looking into this too deep, I’ve been studying c-sec, or you will hate phones even more. The software sucks more and more as well.
AMD still hasy loyalty, unfortunately, due to having the least dogshit Linux drivers.
As long as you don’t have the latest hardware…
And their stuff tends to get fixed eventually. But then, so does nVidia’s. On average, everything pretty much works out of the box nowadays.
TBH intel has that loyalty too
The reasons I got an AMD GPU for my gaming machine:
- much better support for Linux gaming
That’s it. That’s the list.
Neither Nvidia nor AMD (nor also-ran Intel) have come out with meaningfully novel hardware approaches in a long fucking time. It’s all horizontal scaling on the die (plus “let’s add more memory”) combined with incremental efficiency improvements in die layouts and chip lithography process / feature size.
This is why monopolies are bad. They have a vested interest in acquiring and/or killing any company - indeed, any innovation - that has even a slight potential to disrupt their market dominance.
Nvidia has released lots of innovation. Mostly in software, but still really cool stuff. Shame about their non-Windows driver support, though.
meaningfully novel hardware approaches
This isn’t really possible anymore (at least unaided by LLM). In the era of fixed function pipelines, it was possible to do something new under the hood.
The current standards of Vulkan and DirectX have exposed a lot of inner workings to extract performance which makes it hard to make a large shift. While this makes it easy to use the HW, it also makes it hard for the devs to have a single algorithm for diff HWs, ie, each new feature will need in investment by them.
For any novel functionality, devs will not like to work on features only on a small set of HW, unless they are aided by HW vendors. This creates a chicken egg situation: new features don’t get prioritized up by devs which makes it hard to market the features which makes it a small market which makes it likely not to be a priority by devs.
In this era where code is cheap, perhaps we’ll see more fast moving devs and HW both
This isn’t really possible anymore (at least unaided by LLM).
What’s an LLM going to do to help, repeat their own documentation back at them?
Maintain the same algorithm optimised for each new generation. The algo needs to tailored to suit the game but adjusting per HW which was a daunting task (and why PC ports were sub optimal on a console comparable HW)
You’re not considering FPGAs, or the analog domain. For example:
AI needs much simpler HW (since the SW is bespoke) and that’s why we see so many startups tackling this. I’m sure as ML becomes a bigger part of gaming (via coop matrix and LinAlg), we might see analog entering the gaming HW.
Gaming HW has a lot more cruft added on by standards and legacy SW. The number of gaming HW startups can be counted on one hand. QC and Apple have taken generations to get their HW ready. Even Intel needed 2 generations for their dGPU despite having a long line of iGPU
FPGA are very inefficient as compared to ASIC and need dedicated programming. It feels further than analog if we’re talking about a gaming HW using them
Your info is out of date. Nvidia drivers on Linux are trivial to install these days. They provide a deb repo (and others) with both the proprietary and open source drivers. Add, install, done.
“Done”, until the complexity of being an out of tree kernel driver causes yet another issue… suspend has been broken for months on 615+ series
It has? My laptop and desktop haven’t had any problems with it. They’ve been suspending and resuming just fine.
I did have one problem where on my desktop, the latest version caused everything to go really slowly, but downgrading fixed it. But that’s part of using the latest drivers, instead of a stable version. You can get the same problems using the latest version of any in-tree driver, or the kernel itself.
It doesn’t sound like you’re using your laptop for gaming
desktop haven’t had any problems
did have one problem where on my desktop
Nonetheless, having fixable problems are still problems that will be a hard barrier for prospective users to adopt.
I found the experience bad when i tried bazzite on a spare drive to test it out on my nvidia desktop. NVIDIA legacy gpus that stopped getting updates and included in distros also a pain when it came to laptops for me with bugs coming out of sleep.
Meanwhile AMD and Intel laptops been trouble free throughout the years, so I’ve avoided getting NVIDIA GPU laptops.
LOL, loyalty.
Make good GPUs, sell them at reasonable prices. Call me if you need any further advice.
amd: best we can do is nvidia -50usd
The 9070 XT was like $300 cheaper than the 5070 Ti for a pretty long time
Unfortunately, the 5070 Ti also outperformed it on a lot of benchmarks.
It really sucks that AMD stopped trying to compete with nVidia on high end graphics cards. Instead the best current generation AMD cards are basically equivalent to their top end from their previous generation, and are significantly worse than the best of nVidia’s current generation.
Yeah I ended coughing up the extra dough for the 5070 Ti mainly because of significantly better RT performance and DLSS. And at the time the Ti was only ~$150 more. I only regret giving nvidia more money. The card itself has been amazing.
I also wish nvidia had a real competitor at the top end. We used to have a bunch of gfx companies competing with each other. Now if you want a top card you have to pay nvidia thousands of dollars.
The 9070 XT is a decent premium range card but I’d only go for it if I had a strict budget or if I was gaming on Linux.
I am gaming on Linux and I don’t want to buy the 9070 XT. If I buy that now, I’m basically buying a top of the line card from 4 years ago. Now I’m debating whether I wait another 2 years to buy whatever becomes the top of the line card AMD makes next time they release a new card, or go with nVidia even though their Linux drivers often suck.
I’m hoping next time their best card is competitive with nVidia’s best card. If their best card is only equivalent to the nVidia 5090 but it comes out in 2027, I’ll be annoyed.
Not recently. AMD overtook them with driver improvements. See hardware unboxed’s revisit videos.
I thought that was only in certain games? I did a lot of research when I upgraded in Jan. 2025 and landed on the Ti because it still outperformed the XT in ray tracing by about 25%. The XT was better in raster but not by a lot.
I will say the nvidia app is really buggy compared to the AMD app. When I had my AMD 7000 series, the recording feature and FPS counter worked just fine. Meanwhile, the nvidia replay and fps counter are completely broken so I had to install 3rd party software.
RTX HDR makes the nvidia app worth it but every now and then the app turns it on globally which messes up native HDR. Crazy how many bugs I’ve found in nvidia’s software.
I have a 9070xt and my friend has a 5070 ti. I have a 5950x CPU and he has a 5800x, so they are very close in gaming.
What we found is that when you don’t have a bleeding edge CPU, Nvidia falls behind due to their higher CPU overheads. This does not show up in online reviews as reviewers use the fastest, most current CPU as is standard practice.
Hardware unboxed did a great video on this, showing 20-30% swings towards AMD when a core i5 or a non-3D vcache CPU is used. Especially in 1% minimums.
I would rather have 20% better 1% lows than 20% better average frame rates when using ray tracing.
Oh that’s interesting. I wonder how much of a difference it would make with my 9900x. Too bad I didn’t have this knowledge a year ago or I could’ve saved myself some cash. All things being equal (or close enough) I’d rather give my money to AMD than Nvidia as well
Do you have a source that’s not a video?
Not for these GPUs.
But I took 2 screenshots for you that they did with midrange CPU’s. They also did one for entry level, CPUs, but that’s a bit unrealistic.
These are 11 game average at Ultra settings and medium/low.
Thanks for the screenshots. So, it looks like for 1080p and 1440p, the results are very similar but the 9070 XT is slightly ahead in most categories. Good to know. But, it’s still annoying that the 9070 XT is the best offering from the 9000 generation, but is not meaningfully better than the best of the 7000 generation.
Techslot did something similar I see.
https://www.techspot.com/review/3193-gpu-for-budget-pc-scaling-test/
Under CPU constrained environments the AMD 9060XT even outperformed the 5070 non it.
That’s interesting. Personally, I haven’t used a 1080p screen for at least a decade though.
Nice Gamer’s Nexus reference
It’s even wilder when you know that Lisa Sue and Jensen Huang are cousins.
I’d also like if they weren’t actively complicit in genocide. that would be cool.
In what way are they complicit in genocide?
amd? no clue. nvidia? substantially.
How so?
I know they have facilities built on stolen Palestinian land employing the fuckers who will do incredibly unwholesome things if you let them have a puppy.
Yuck, I didn’t know they’d built a facility there.
Companies: I’ll take your entire stock! And I’ll pay more than you’re asking!
I’m about to build a new computer. So is Intel the new budget brand? My wallet dictates my loyalty.
Assuming you want x86, AMD for cpu, Intel for GPU, fedora or a derivative for the OS. Season to taste.
Isn’t arc unreliable for linux IIRC?
Earlier on it very much was, but it’s much better now. I’m been using it for sunshine streaming for a while now and it’s been great.
What started that journey was my need for jellyfin media encoders and frigate object detection offload. AMD has perfectly acceptable render performance but their media engines have always been trash, and I am not buying NVIDIA so I went with battlemage. And it’s been great.
My friend has been dailying a B580 with CachyOS since he switched from Win10. He had issues with some warhammer game rendering all textures with a green tint but a reboot fixed it. Other than that he has not had any issues with that GPU. YMMV
green tint
Nvidia will stop at nothing to sabotage its opponents!
I was completely decided to switch to AMD, but now I might go Intel…
In gonna fab my own silicone. I’m gonna shine a strobe light through a magnifying glass and drip some liquid in front of it and have it all reflect on some sand I throw on a mirror.
I saw a video on how ASML does it and instantly knew I could do it better. I’m gonna have Bixby help me vibe code this. If anyone wants in on my industry shattering company before I open for 2.6 trillion inbox me.
If you don’t know the difference between silicone and silicon I don’t think you’ll get far.
I think he’s actually hoping to make some epic breast implants.
Hello I think 2.6 trillion is too little for your visionary idea. I offer you 10 trillion at a valuation of 1 quadrillion. That’s right, I only want 1% of your company in exchange for 10 trillion dollars, because I see no way this could go tits up.
You had me at tits. Let’s do this.
This literally cant go tits up. Guh
Sorry, I lost you at Bixby. You’re gonna just end up with a pile of sand with cat poop in it if you use Bixby.
The fact that you were fine with everything up until that says a lot
You’re saying my idea spans MORE THAN ONE INDUSTRY???
Bullish on cat poo futures now.
I might go for an abacus
Im really bummed that intel is the only still viable choice, hoping that they will keep surprising me but i do have doubts…
I hope they keep working on their GPUs its not an easy market but a VERY welcome one to have competition in.
considering they only have 6% of the GPU market, and it’s Intel, not just some unknown company, it just shows how hard it will be to grow in that market.
Nvidia has shat the bed, now AMD has a chance to publicly say something like:
While our primary focus at the moment is data centers, we remain commited to consumers with a special focus on gaming, this is why we are very happy to announce a new consumer division inside AMD! They remain commited to providing cost effective consumer and gaming CPUs and GPUs, and will keep developing Ryzen and Radeon products.
And something like: “The tech industry is littered with the corpses of tech giants who forget that those who stop innovating for short term financial gain, die. AMD will stop all investment in stock buybacks and circular funding with immediate effect. Instead AMD will invest in engineering across a wide range of products and target markets. Diversity is the only sustainable long term strategy.”
AMD never misses a chance to miss a chance.
Then again, when the competition isn’t your cousin anymore maybe you stop going easy on them.
They are also hoping to kill the consumer market, it’s too much effort and can’t be manipulated as easily by taking a b2b customer CEO out to lunch on your yacht.
Speak for yourself. I’d be down for a nice lunch and a yacht trip. Maybe even some seduction! I wanted to buy a new gaming PC for a few years now anyway.
Tell them you want like a thousand threadrippers, but then excuse yourself to the bathroom, say you was allergic to something in the food, and that it led you to believe you would start with a single consumer-grade card.
And a threadripper. And I see it more like the sample than an actual purchase. So of course it’s free.
It’s probably easier in b2b because you can either show Max performance or Max performance per watt to close the business. For b2c, you need marketing and more downstream collaboration for products.
Absolutely, it’s a whole production to be competitive in b2c. On the other hand, I think doing well in B2C has downstream benefits for business hardware sales (ASSUMING the market is not captured via backroom deals and the opinion of normal humans is a factor in sales).
Sigh, you are probably right.
Though good PR is valuable.
They will just follow what Nvidia does even now.
Wonder who Lisa Su will fuck to be like big boi Huang
Probably someone with the last name of Huang. Possibly Su.
Shuan Joneson
You think they give a fuck about your pennies?
Good PR is valuable.
Ikr? But it’s more valuable to create artificial scarcity. Them saying we used to be the good guys is like the Republicans bragging about slavery.
Nice. Impressive. Let’s see Lisa Su’s affairs.
she is the cousin of JENSEN huang, almost if they are the same person.
has she been alone with Huang Jenson?
SWEET HOOOME ALABAMAA
They look suspiciously alike. And I for one have never seen them in the same room together. They might be the same person.
