At this point, every attempt at this ludicrously dishonest spin can and should be met with the same one-word response - “Mamdani.”
“Vote blue no matter who” - PUMA PAC alumni.
The stupidity of saying that it’s the left backstabbing the liberals is just infuriating. These people are hopeless.
Damned if we vote, damned if we don’t. We’re not allowed to criticize or call out behavior or opinions that harm us. I guess the upside is I get to enjoy a little "eww"phoria for being treated like a woman when it comes to having my concerns taken seriously. Fuck I hate living here.
“Vote blue no matter who” crowd on their way to solely blame (realistically) 50-100k leftists who abstained either due to their views on electorialism or Palestine.
I’ve seen so much braindead shit online about the loss and “what could be done different”, like statistics showing that if only uni educated people voted then Kamala would have won and people supporting this idea, making lists of every leftist who said they wouldn’t vote to punish them later or something, prohibiting MAGA voters from voting ever again, etc. These same people then proceed to cry fascism.
We just can’t have anything nice, can we? Locking this post due to the amount of shitlibs coming where they specifically aren’t wanted.
And just like that, centrists have always hated both MST3k and Rifftrax.
“First they came for Palestine, but I told them to vote Kamala anyway because I wasn’t Palestinian…”
Alright, so tell me which viable candidate would have been good for Palestine.
Harris would have been better than Trump. What are you trying to argue?
That’s their point.
That is what I’m trying to argue. There was no option that was good for Palestine, so using that as your sticking point was stupid.
At least with Harris there was a slim chance she’d see reason.
Tankies are really showing their privilege. They aren’t under seige so they can afford to wait and keep their self perceived purity. Harm minimization isn’t ideal, but does help more than getting out of the way for fascism.
There are more than just presidential elections, and those often matter more, yet they still discourage people from showing up. Then they wonder why candidates they like stay on the fringe.
Voting isn’t everything, but it does matter.
Are these tankies in the room with us?
Harm minimization isn’t ideal, but does help more than getting out of the way for fascism.
Let me know if democrats ever have a candidate who doesn’t get out of the way for fascism.
When they’re not actively helping it by selling it weapons, adopting its immigration policies, and agreeing with it about vulnerable minorities.
We could have more AOCs and Mamdanis. But please explain why letting Republicans win uncontested and sell even more weapons is helpful? Pretty much everything is better with the dems, even the ones that we should replace with progressive (which we won’t thanks to tankies no showing)
PSA if you read carefully you’d see I’m agreeing with you and asking you for help and for my efforts your working twice as hard to leave me in a worse political situation
We could have more AOCs and Mamdanis.
We had two more. Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. Your pro-genocide-and-nothing-else wing of the party only ever protects centrist incumbents though.
But please explain why letting Republicans win uncontested and sell even more weapons is helpful? Pretty much everything is better with the dems, even the ones that we should replace with progressive (which we won’t thanks to tankies no showing)
It isn’t. Maybe democrats should offer an alternative instead of just slightly less of the same shit.
PSA if you read carefully you’d see I’m agreeing with you
No. You’re carrying water for a candidate that is no longer running because people said she shouldn’t have supported genocide. Your objection is to the genocide opposition.
There was one option that could be forced to be good for Palestine, but liberals were like “but my unity against fascism!!!” and browbeat progressives into silence. Remember Uncommitted? Well I fucking do, so congratulations on Trump.
Gloat more. It’s all you’re doing. You got your genocide. Stop trying to make everyone love it as much as you do.
I don’t think you know what the word ‘gloat’ means.
Gloating and gaslighting now. Unsurprising.
You still don’t seem to know what the word means
“Then they came for the trans folk, because I told them nobody cared about Palestinians, and I wasn’t trans anyway…”
“Then they came for the undocumented migrants, because I told them nobody cared about Trans people, and those people have dark skin so they make me uncomfortable”
Jesus, you people make up things in your head and get mad at them just like MAGA
You people act reprehensibly toward vulnerable minorities and then gaslight anyone who notices.
Just. Like. maga.
Tankies aren’t serious people and often discourage a shift left by abstaining from voting
Anyone who wants better than a choice between genocide or genocide with a light patch where the BLM sticker used to be must be a tankie.
Well they aren’t serious about the material results and neither are the tankies
I don’t think you know what a tankie is.
Proof that leftists don’t vote?
Bald assertion, repeated with enough frequency. Nothing more.
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections. They’ll put more effort onto justify their no show than taking an evening to do so.
To be clear I’m not even disagreeing with their complaints. But their discourse on not voting keeps us form moving left. Voting is an important part. Harm minimization is still important to many vulnerable people.
Gloat that such a choice was unavailable.
I’m not gloating. I was pissed Harris was the only option besides Trump, but I’m not an idiot and voted for her because at least with her we’d have elections in 4 years.
And at least with her there was a chance, albeit slim, that she only supported Israel in her campaign to get donations then would do what all politicians do and go back on their promises. Or at least see reason, something Trump would never do.
I voted for her because she was less terrible than trump. I bitterly resent everyone who manipulated the situation so that I had no choice but to vote in favor of genocide.
Anyone who carries water for genocide supporters IS a genocide supporter.
Any other candidate if people actually thought for themselves
That doesn’t answer my question. Specifically what candidate, besides Harris, stood a chance of beating Trump that would have been good for Palestine?
You can go ahead and get rid of the besides Harris part of your sentence there since she didn’t.
That was to the ‘stood a chance at beating Trump’ part.
I know.
How about you went to the streets before you got a duopoly of genocide apologists to become your only option? Oh no, but but but, my team was bEtTeR.
But nooooo, you were fine with genocide as long as it didn’t affect you, and the multiple wars abroad before that. And now, you guys have to pretend to protest the dismantling of your own nation. Seems very much like karma, doesn’t it?
So, well done. The system led to Trump, not the opinions on genocide in Palestine. US has a history of being fine with worse. If you can’t see that and find blame someone else to blame, you’re too far in your own ass to see it.
Dude with this mindset no one could ever live a normal life. At any given moment in your life there is slavery, genocide, whatever going on. Any of which could be a reason to take to the streets in your mind. So since you’re not in the streets about slavery going on in the world you’re fine with it? You’re not in the streets about sex trafficking are you, I guess you just don’t care about sex trafficking and it’s victims because it doesn’t impact you. This is how you sound.
But of course, you lecture the masses oh wise one. Tell us the error of our ways, how did we stray from the path only you can see?
At any given moment in your life there is slavery, genocide, whatever going on. Any of which could be a reason to take to the streets in your mind.
I would why it isn’t a reason for you to be protesting, but then again we both know the reason for that.
”I’m white, liberal, and fascists like Trump aren’t coming for me.
Must be nice to be able to turn your morality on and off like a switch, and only care about shit when it’s time to fund raise.
If your country is doing sex trafficking and slavery (the latter at least is true) then yes, that is something you should take to the streets for. Something happening and something being done with your tax dollars are two completely different things. Don’t project your lack of moral principles and/or spine on other people.
I don’t even know half the horrible things the US is doing. And the EU is doing plenty of messed up stuff too. Same with Asia. So wait, every single person should be in the streets then? What country are you from? Why are you not in the streets?
I absolutely answered your question. you just dont like the reality of it. not my problem.
Keep gloating that your only policy was going to be enacted and that none of the rest of us had any meaningful choice.
If harris had done the right thing, you would have voted for trump.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
If harris had said that she would stop selling weapons for genocide, you would have voted for trump.
Again, what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Your reading comprehension must be absolutely horrendous, because at no point did I say anything that would have remotely suggested that I would do such a thing.
Where’s your better candidate doing more to beat MAGA? Where’s your hard work to get them through primaries onto the ballot?
Getting more progressives in office doesn’t start with “not voting”. It ends with voting for them when you show us a better candidate & get them on the ballot.
So far, the best contender seems to be the only one putting up a real fight. Show us a better alternative worthy of a coalition, and do the hard work of building that coalition around them.
MAGA did the hard work. They infiltrated all levels of government, all legislatures, executive posts of several states. They built coalitions from the bottom up.
The left will need to do at least as much work.
The left has two parties fighting against them. maga had (and has) zero parties fighting against them.
MAGA (and the Tea Party before them) also ripped apart anyone who didn’t get on with their program. They didn’t say “but we need to unite against the radical left!!!”. The left will need to do that too.
No they’re not.
Anyone using Newsom as an excuse to not vote against fascism is nowhere on the left. Not a liberal, not a leftist, not a progressive.
Newsom signed a bill that cut a lot of services to address the deficit. It didn’t “target” any one group, and anyone who says it did is a right-wing agitator.
Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.
When we say “Newsom backstabbed homeless people” we’re talking more about the making homelessness illegal part.
It didn’t “target” any one group, and anyone who says it did is a right-wing agitator.
“Everyone I don’t like is MAGA” isn’t how you make coalitions if you actually care about that (which I doubt). Well too bad, because the very act of cutting services is targeting the state’s most vulnerable.
Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.
Tinfoil hat much?
Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.
Anyone for whom newsom is acceptable would vote for trump over any progressive. Without hesitation.
