If it has decent internet service, just let me know who I have to kill!
Follow Saint Luigi’s guidance, my son
False ; Norwegians don’t look at Americans.
So I’m functionally invisible if I go there? Tempting
There is 100% a strong culture for minding your own business and not bothering anyone here. By that I mean that approaching someone without having a good reason to do so is very much frowned upon. That doesn’t mean we’re anti-social or complete strangers to small-talk, but there are some rather subtle social cues governing when it’s appropriate to approach someone, and if you just mind your own business and don’t give any indication that you want to chat, there’s a high probability that no one will approach you or talk to you.
So you either successfully do crimes because you’re invisible, or you successfully get put in a Norwegian prison. I’m gonna go check plane ticket prices.
Being in prison sucks though. No matter what. I mean Norwegian prisons are very clean and remarkably comfortable, and Japanese prisons have top notch food (freshly cooked and with fresh ingredients). But I would rather not have the choking lack of freedom in any of them.
For many people, being imprisoned in one of these places would grant them a lot more freedom than they currently have.
I’m sure there’s a starving person in poverty that would disagree. Terrible thought but desperation is common in the working class.
There are norwegian prison communities where they can do pretty much anything you could so in a normal community. There are like 5 guards for the entire community.
Pretty much this. According to Varg Vikernes Norwegian prisons are mostly filled with crazy people.
If you are safe from the prisoners and guards, get clean accommodations, are well fed, get outside/gym time for fitness, medical care, time to learn a vocation or study, occasional entertainment time (tv or whatever)… the only thing missing is a romantic partner… honestly, it sounds as good as an all inclusive retreat/vacation.
I imagine not having control over your own life for years at a time would wear one down. But months? If I knew my outside people weren’t suffering because of my actions, it sounds kind of nice.
But I’m an introvert that works from home, so, I’d miss my pets.
Dude, it is still a prison. Saying ‘yeah I could use a highly regimented living space for a while’ is one thing. But a prison is still something else.
Workhouses in Victorian England were very harsh places, sometimes even harsher than the prisons of the time… but they were not prisons. If a workhouse inmate wanted to leave, they could up and go at any moment without anyone stopping them. Because it was not a prison.
The difference is that your example is designed to exploit you and, generally, your freedom amounts to “leave and get exploited elsewhere.” This is the same for poverty. Sure, technically you could walk away… But to do what? Suffer elsewhere in poverty?
Those in Swedish prisons aren’t free to leave, but that’s not the only kind of freedom that exists. Freedom from starvation, danger, from the influences that lead to the crime that put you in prison. Is it really so hard to imagine a world where you might give up some freedom for real, tangible safety and peace of mind?
But american prisons generate more profit for the private sector. So who can really say which system is better?
The one with the least amount of repeat offenders.
Why would a for-profit business not want repeat customers?
For-profit prison inmates are more like slaves than customers.
They’re the product.
How are they the product? Okay, apparently some american prisons make you pay for the privilege of being in a cage, but I believe that using ‘forced labor’ (euphemism for slavery) is their main source of $$$.
I mean, I doubt all prisoners are locked in these prisons. I think these prisons like Halden are rewards to which the best behaving prispners get transported to. Still, the criminal justice system in these countries is awesome.
It’s not so much a reward. It’s just the natural outcome when your intent is to stop crime, and not to be cruel with punishments. In most countries it is still culturally taboo, but treating people well is the first step to stopping them from committing crimes. Mental health attention is only possible when you work with person who is being treated with basic human dignity. Antisocial personalities of course are an exception who commit crimes and trespass social norms out of different reasons than common criminal but they aren’t actually that frequent or common. Crime is a complex multifactor issue. More often than not it is a mix of unmet needs, opportunity and the belief that they can get away with it. If you fulfill the needs of the person in a socially acceptable and healthy way then reduce the open opportunities for crime, you can stop crime before it happens. Punishment and its harshness, on the other hand, have absolutely no impact on crime rates.
The shame of the Norwegian criminal justice system is not in how they treat their prisoners but in who they haven’t gotten around to imprisoning. White Wing nationalism absolutely tearing that country to shreds.
…you would want to ban an opposing political opinions? Really? You know that cunts like Viktor Orban and Donald Trump only ever can get elected via the absolute and complete failure of the opposition?
And when you ban that you get Trump. Enjoy!
Where did I write that I want a compromise? I want jackasses to be able to go out and embarrass themselves
Except that people look at that embarrassment and say “he’s just like me!” and then vote for them
They should have the right to vote however they wish?
Are you saying the issue is not that say in America that the dems refuse to hold primaries and their neoliberal policies disgust the general public, its that folks have freedom of speech?
I mean, I do think that hate speech and extremism such as white supremacism should not be allowed, yes. They do not act in good faith, why should we extend our good faith to them?
But besides, that is slightly beside the point I was making. What I was trying to point out is that they do not embarrass themselves to the target demographic
And if you don’t realize that you are being embarrassing then you are not being one? Huh… Majority of my childhood saved!
And the banning things… Do you think that a large majority of the polulus in agreement of it? If so, then there is no need for a ban as it is viewed as socially unacceptable as it is. But if its not? How could that ever be enforced?
Oh fuck completely off. Some people don’t get platforms.
By platform you mean air or what?
You’re either a troll or a moron.
If you can copy into your response where anyone above or even under me talked about platforms then I will call myself a moron!
This is the second time I reread everything, we are not talking about facebook&twitter&… moderation; we were still talking about freedom of speech!
I was about to make a joke about flying over to Norway and causing issues, but I don’t want to be a jerk.
Could someone in Norway frame me and have me extradited, please?
Unfortunately you’re not the first person to have that thought. And from what little bit of research I did into it it seems that they would much rather just spend the money to buy you a plane ticket and send you home.
What’s going on in Norway? I’m out of the loop.
The Norwegian prison system emphasizes rehabilitation over punishment. Norwegian prisons are generally decent places. Turns out that treating prisoners like human beings makes them much less likely to reoffend and go back to prison.
Any one knows how I can go to prison in Norway?
