SF 2589 as introduced - 94th Legislature (2025 - 2026)
www.revisor.mn.gov

This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

  • andros_rex@lemmy.world
    17·
    4 hours ago

    Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

    Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

    Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

      • andros_rex@lemmy.world
        6·
        2 hours ago

        Quite literally in my case.

        PTSD from “psychiatric care” is pretty difficult to deal with (and understudied. fascinating how PTSD only garners you empathy and understanding if you’re a combat rep, despite the fact that most with PTSD do have it from sexual abuse and possibly inpatient experiences - suicide rates skyrocket after involuntary commitment, but why do any form of investigation into something that might hurt profits?)

        If you’re afraid of wasps, you aren’t expected to go ask a wasp how to deal with it. If, however, you experience severe abuse at the hands of mental health professionals and you live in an area where mental health care = the police, getting any form of help is pretty difficult.

        Especially when they consider your gender identity and sexuality as manifestations of mental illness/further evidence that they don’t need to look into the tech beating the shit out of you.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
      51·
      4 minutes ago

      Donald Ewen Cameron’s operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

      Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn’t even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

      For those who don’t know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, “incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents.”

      After conducting these horrific, abusive “experiments” (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government’s full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

      This is literally USA level stuff.

  • Wren@lemmy.world
    8·
    3 hours ago

    My first thought when reading this is….

    We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

    My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?

  • LesserAbe@lemmy.world
    126·
    5 hours ago

    Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn’t mean it will be passed. The overwhelming majority of bills that are introduced don’t pass. And this is in one state, not federal. And if the legislature passed it the governor may veto it, and it would certainly face legal challenge.

    I get that everything sucks right now and it feels like we’re getting attacked on every front. I get the administration is doing illegal stuff. We’re in for a rough time. Still: don’t give them power by acting like every idea they bring up is likely, or possible. This bill is just trolling, it’s so some nobody state level legislators will have a bullet point in their newsletter and a social media post.

    • zephorah@lemm.eeOP
      1·
      18 minutes ago

      You are, of course, correct. That said, the level of enforcement happening on illegal acts and judicial orders says it may not matter.

      It’s a mess right now. So keeping an eye is good.

    • zephorah@lemm.eeOP
      1·
      3 minutes ago

      No, but he’s impacted mental health. I’ve had people with psychosis wondering, first term, why Trump hadn’t arrived to save them from their crappy lives yet. Crying. Shaking. Legit beside themselves with belief that he was riding in to save them from themselves post election. Going over the edge such that “the shot” needed to be deployed.

      Needless to say, news was banned from that unit, airing it made breakdowns increase in both number and severity.

      That said, this is not how the current conservative pundits are presenting this so called syndrome. This label is instead assisting in their dismissal of people who think Trump is having a negative impact on America, in whatever way(s) you choose to read his impact as negative. The way they toss “Trump Derangement Syndrome” around is not unlike the classic unhealthy male who can’t maintain a healthy romantic relationship and is thus quick to accuse the ex, all the exes, of being “crazy” in a sad attempt to rally social support. Similar tone.

    • Wren@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 hours ago

      I always thought it was a mental condition suffered by those who lack the cognitive function it takes to not vote for a fascist dictator.

  • elatedCatfish@lemm.eeEnglish
    22·
    11 hours ago

    This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…

  • casmael@lemm.ee
    46·
    13 hours ago

    Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?

  • Sonicdemon86@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    11 hours ago

    I’ve contacted all those that I can. A director at NAMIMN did respond to my email stating that this bill won’t be heard at all. Still fucked up of them to even try.

  • RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    22·
    12 hours ago

    “Trump Derangement Syndrome” means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump’s behavior. This may be expressed by: new text end new text begin (1) verbal expressions of intense hostility toward President Donald J. Trump; and new text end new text begin (2) overt acts of aggression and violence against anyone supporting President Donald J. Trump or anything that symbolizes President Donald J. Tru"

    Just in case you missed it

    • zephorah@lemm.eeOP
      3·
      9 hours ago

      What’s intense hostility these days? “Eat the rich”?

      A meme post that involves suggestion of a Trump micro penis?

      There’s too much interpretation left in the wind with some of those phrases.

  • salamandermander@lemmings.world
    811·
    16 hours ago

    This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.

    • zephorah@lemm.eeOP
      4·
      9 hours ago

      Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.