• Most experts agree Linux is safer than Windows

  • All scientific supercomputers use Linux

  • Professional hackers use Linux

  • Linux is the undisputed backbone of internet servers

  • Critical military infrastructure relies on Linux

Microsoft’s revenue was $300 Billion last year. They have unlimited ressources.

So why is Windows still worse than Linux ?

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    If you ever worked on any big corporation, it becomes crystal clear why things suck. Megacorps value money first, second, third, fourth and fifth. Sixth comes avoiding being caught by their crimes.

    So, Microsoft doesn’t have a vision for Windows as an operating system, it sees Windows as a way to maintain a stranglehold in office computers the world over. It doesn’t matter that most people on lemmy will say “switch to linux”, they’re not companies, they’re not bosses - these are the vast majority of Windows users and South America + Asia + Africa make up a fuckhuge market. Sure, Europe and USA have more money, but the rest have sheer numbers.

    Another thing that matters a lot is that many decisions come from the top and are enforced. If Satya Nadella or the director of whatever bullshit says something, those below have to comply. If the order from above is “cram bullshit ads in Windows Explorer, this has the highest priority”, that has to happen.

    Regarding resources, having them and allocating them in a decent manner are not the same thing. The same could be argued about USA having trillions of tax dollars and having so many people living in poverty without healthcare or even basic education. Lots of that money go to keeping their armed forces. Microsoft is not too different, they have to pay people who keep their datacenters up, pay for the energy of said datacenters, maintain several other apps they have - oh, and the CEOs bonuses, because he’s such a great leader who totally deserves billions every year!!! Of those 300bn, how much are they diverting for Windows in general? 50b? 20b? 1b? Of that, how much is going straight for security, bug tracking and quality assurance?

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    Wait… why is this a question…? I guess it’s the same as when people ask my why Adobe is so terrible, why HP is terrible or why Apple is so terrible.

    Companies eventually get so big and powerful they only care about companies.

    Stop paying for Microsoft, pirate is Stop using Microsoft office, Get libre office Stop using HP, get Lenovo or Dell instead Everyone everywhere should stop using apple.

    As much as I hate Apple/OoS and I do truly hate Apple… Adobe is the worst company on earth.

    Easiest way to explain it is that Apple and Microsoft exist just to steal all your money Adobe not only wants to steal all your money but they wanted take it all then make you pay so they can lazily explain why they took your money. HP is in the corner breaking all your furniture so they can charge you a fee to fix it and put Microsoft, apple and Adobe trash on it.

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    Linux is setting out to make an operating system. Microsoft are setting out to make a data capturing advertising billboard that sometimes runs programs.

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    Passion vs corporate.

    Corporate suits just sell surface promises and support contracts for corporate environments. It’s a totally different mindset than Linux engineers have. Theirs is that of passion for excellent software and that’s all they care about.

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    1. Linux isn’t driven by a profit-first motive, so user-centric decisions come first
    2. There is no number 2
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      Only partially user-centric decisions because the @someRandomOEM.com and @redhat.com people will send drivers with no documentation to go with it due to NDAs. Also only partially user-centric decisions because if someone is backed by a company, their solution will be pushed faster.

      People on free software adjacent forums (probably originated on linux {.} org {.} ru?) thought of a standard unit of measurement for how much pedantic force a person is able to apply. It is called “1 Poettering”, named after Lennart “Harry” Poettering. Values greater than 1 have not been observed; it is often assumed to be the highest constant similar to the speed of light. Here’s a table from (my very subjective) consensus:

      • Lennart “Harry” Poettering - 1 (the system deez nuts guy)
      • Mark “Shuttlecock” Shuttleworth - .9 (the Canonical guy)
      • Hans Reiser - .7 (ReiserFS)
      • Richard Stallman - .6 (GNU)
      • Linus Torvalds - .5 (Linux)
      • Theo De Raadt - .17 (OpenBSD)

      Maintainers of random projects that everyone takes for given are <=.1 until they riot when it becomes .6 temporarily.

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    Microsoft has pretty much lost most of their experienced employees, they’re sitting on a mountain of spaghetti code with tech debt that goes back to windows 3.1 to maintain compatibility, they’ve fired their QA team, and their absolutely out-of-touch leadership is trying to force the surviving employees to use AI anywhere they can for developing the OS to pump up the numbers of AI users to prop up their insanely huge AI gamble so shareholders don’t lose faith.

    They’re acting confident because they haven’t had to respond to a credible threat to their monopoly for 30 years, and that arrogance combined with everything mentioned above will most likely be their ultimate demise. The corporate system they have created and perpetuated is no longer capable of righting the ship, both technologically and organizationally.

    They made a statement years ago now about how they were going to respond to the success of the steamdeck by creating a handheld mode for windows, but they never did, and Valve ate their lunch and allowed Linux to gain a foothold among gamers. They probably couldn’t manage building that handheld mode (it’s been so many years now, but I read a post from a Microsoft employee detailing how it could take something crazy like a week of work just to add a new menu entry to a drop-down without it introducing major breakages elsewhere).

    They haven’t been able to develop a killer app or feature for Windows in over a decade, and I don’t think there’s anything else under their sleeve. I believe we are actively witnessing the downfall of an ossified giant, just as the once great Commodore fell due to incompetence and extreme corporate greed.

    They already use Linux for their server division (azure). Eventually, if Linux is able dominate on the desktop in the next decade, they may shift to selling their own Linux distro with a 100% windows compatible container/VM instead, an inversion of their current model of selling Windows with their optional WSL (windows subsystem for Linux).

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    Different design priorities - MS devs aim to make the OS a marketing tool for other products, which are continuously obsoleted to encourage repeated re-buying. Linux devs aim to make stuff work.

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    Apart from what everyone here is saying, which is probably mostly true, I want to add that the Windows division in microsoft isn’t the biggest either in terms of revenue or funding; it’s not even second. The office team is much bigger for instance - so Windows has not been Microslops priority for a good 15 years i’d say. My 2 cents

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      Also the number of developers and amount of money put into something doesn’t make it is necessarily better. I almost want to think that fewer developers and less money on Windows is a good thing considering Microslop only ever wants to increase operating costs in order to make more revenue.

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        True but my impression is that in contrast to other divisions it probably doesn’t get the focus, resources or the vision it needs. It’s just a means to sell their other stuff, so all the great people will choose to work for other teams. I remember seeing a discussion with Dave Cutler (if i remember his name correctly) a few years ago saying he left the windows team to work on xbox and azure because it was much more interesting - i know the guy has done it all and was looking for something different but it didn’t seem very encouraging

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    Easy, their objective is to make money, not develop software. Linux is made and maintained by users, for users…

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    Their main goal is to extract maximum revenue, not to provide good products. Also, they’ve grown fat on the monopoly profits they enjoyed for decades. It’s very hard to pivot back to competitiveness from that and as of now, they’re not really compelled to do that.

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      true but to do that they have 100s of layers of variously documented backward compatibility and work-arounds. all their stuff is a mountain of deliberate technical debt that will affect the quality of their software

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      This is it. For-profit companies exist to make a profit, not a product. Any time you ask “why did they do this thing that makes the product worse?” remember that the product doesn’t matter to them, only the money it makes. If a change makes more money, they’ll do it.

      Some might think a worse product means worse sales and less profit, but they’d be wrong. Enough people buy products regardless of their quality that it’s often more profitable to simply make the product as cheap as possible while maintaining just barely enough of the most basic functionality to meet the definition of what they’re trying to sell.

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    Linux was built by engineers and professors based on idealistic values like progress and collaboration. Windows was also built by talented nerds, but at the direction of suits with the goal of making money.

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      And now they’re ripping all the shit the talented nerds made out and replacing it with AI slop and ads.

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      Yep! Like every other tech company.

      Engineers want to make something work with the stability to last a long time.

      But lasting a long time cuts into profits.

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    Because their management structure is horrendously overbloated and their internal culture is horrific.

    I used to work for them. Every manager, every team lead, at every level, is viciously trying to climb to the top of the crab bucket, and pull every one else down at the same time.

    Look at Asha Sharma’s recent statment on reorganizing Xbox.

    14 levels of management. 14. You have have a boss, who has a boss, who has a… up to fucking 14.

    … the entire company is like this, not just Xbox.

    Thats why everything is insane broken nonsense.

    Oh, that and extreme over reliance on contractors to do most of the actual work. Contractors don’t get stock options, you see.

    This results in a situation where half of any project’s timeline is the new contractors just trying to understand the code the previous contractors made.

    That is all wasted time, compared to if you just actually had a consistent team you paid properly… and of course it massively exacerbates technical debt.

    Nothing is actually properly documented, there are very, very few people who actually understand a codebase and have been maintaining and growing it for 10 years, no, its 10 years of 10 different sets of contractors, and maybe 3-6 different managers ‘overseeing’ this.

    It is all spaghetti code.

    There has never been a totally new Windows, certainly not in this century. That has never happened, and they lie internally to their own employees about that.

    There has never been a total refactor of Windows. Windows 11 still has UI menus from Win 7, possibly fucking XP, if you dig deep enough.

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      still has UI menus from Win 7, possibly fucking XP, if you dig deep enough.

      Yeah, those are the good ones.

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        Yeah that’s the worst bit tbf

        If you’re not going to make better UIs and you’re going to keep the old ones around anyway… Why not just… add new items to the old ones?

        Instead, you have like 3 or 4 different generations of control panel and they do different things so you go to the correct one based on what you need to do…

        I’m just happy to not own any Windows machines anymore, not even dual boot. I actually liked 7. Like really liked it. 10 felt like a downgrade (I suspect because the UI was uglier and it had an extra layer of control panel added in either 8 or 10 that was more dumbed down so you’d usually want to go to the old one, which gets you thinking “why exactly did we need a new Windows version”). 11 is shit even on a brand new machine, even if it looks pretty-ish. It’s slow, the reduced context menu is annoying… Yeah I could change a lot of things via registry keys and whatnot, but KDE Plasma just gives me a single system settings application that configures almost everything I’d want to configure on my machine, the rest is application specific stuff for which I’m fine just editing the conf files

        To be clear I’m just venting because I’m frustrated with Windows, not because I think you like it lol

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      This is the answer. I work in a big company which has a similar issue. The boots on the ground devs like me know how bad some cascaded orders and ideas are but when you try to bring it up it’s like trying to talk to a brick wall with 13 other brick walls in the way

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        Its so cathartic to read this after dealing with the exact same bullshit with my own employer. Management has no clue what is actually going on, but refuses to listen to us peons because they’ve ‘made it’ to middle management so obviously they know better than all of us always.

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          Scott Adams went MAGA bonkers, but the Dilbert Principle is still a valid corrolary to the Peter Principle.

          … the narcissistic sociopaths that are most managers simply don’t care, because they are right and you are stupid.

          … which is also why the love the overly confident lying know it alls that are LLMs… they are a perfect source of many elements of narcissistic supply.

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        it’s like trying to talk to a brick wall with 13 other brick walls in the way

        I’m gonna have to use that saying, lol