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  • Must know/use sites for newcomers to the fediverse?

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  • Lemmyverse.net is a very useful site to find communities that may not have federated to your instance yet (at least 1 user on your instance must be subscribed to it for it to begin federating). Especially useful for smaller instances.

  • Movim - An open-source, federated and encrypted Text Chat & Video Call (w/ screenshare!) platform made in France since 2010

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  • I can't really find anywhere that clarifies what version of OMEMO that Movim is currently using, but if I had to guess it would be 0.3.0.

    However, I want to point out that the creator of that linked blog actually removed a response in the comments from an OMEMO developer which clarified some things (you can it read here), which personally I think was rather odd/bad faith of them to do.

    According to that response, there's nothing really wrong with OMEMO 0.3.0, as the OMEMO developer considers it a stable standard that clients can safely implement, and the newer versions basically being public beta releases toward a stable 'OMEMO 2' standard that can eventually replace 0.3.0.

    I also think the blog author's argument should be put into perspective; from most security expert's POV (including the blog author linked), any app that allows encryption to be disabled is considered flawed or insecure compared to the gold standard of always on E2EE. This would rule out Matrix, XMPP, and certainly any other Discord replacement like Fluxer or Stoat (which offer no encryption). Ultimately only Signal, Deltachat or similar app would be the only options a security expert could recommend, as those experts are prioritizing security above all, regardless of use-case, needs, or practical threat level.

    Signal is centralized and requires a phone number (deal-breaker for me), where as Deltachat is decentralized and does not. Deltachat is a fantastic messenger, but it is only a good replacement for Signal, not Discord. Nor are any of the other 'encrypted by default with no option to disable' messengers.

    If we contrast Movim with optional OMEMO against Discord (which is not only entirely unencrypted, but also actively working with authorities and spying on you); Movim is a monumental improvement while still (eventually) providing Discord-like features. No other possible Discord replacement comes close besides Matrix (which has its own problems, more than XMPP I would say).

    I would suggest that for the average user, XMPP with OMEMO 0.3.0 is pretty darn good. It'll certainly provide very good privacy for encrypted DMs to your friends or groups where it's enabled, and no nosy server owner or relay server will be able to read or decrypt them.

    For people where security is absolutely paramount, and they believe they may be specifically targeted by a state actor, then they should probably stick with an E2EE always-enabled platform like Deltachat.

    But for most, who likely isn't even using a VPN, or Tor, or may even still be using Windows or a non-grapheneOS phone? XMPP with OMEMO 0.3.0 is going to more than suffice.

    And as time goes on, that new 'OMEMO 2' will become stable, and the clients can then migrate to that. But it's already the best privacy respecting Discord alternative we've got (IMO), and it'll likely only get better :)

  • Do you prefer XMPP or Matrix powered apps as a discord alternative?

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  • Best and Worst U.S. States for Air Quality (2025)

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  • It has a little red infographic next to CA explaining that the high port activity, sheer number of drivers, and high temps are contribute to it being worse.

  • Do you prefer XMPP or Matrix powered apps as a discord alternative?

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  • I agree, it's an unfortunate downside. But it's still probably our best option long-term.

    At least in XMPP's case, I think a way of dealing with the fragmentation is to treat Movim as the 'main' app, and to encourage any friends willing to leave Discord to just use that, and not mention other options unless you know they're a bit more tech savvy, and can understand the limitations of the other clients and just think of them as fun little bonuses (until they catch up, anyway). :)

  • Movim - An open-source, federated and encrypted Text Chat & Video Call (w/ screenshare!) platform made in France since 2010

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  • But mo :)

  • Movim - An open-source, federated and encrypted Text Chat & Video Call (w/ screenshare!) platform made in France since 2010

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  • Only if you need to screenshare with audio! And only because that feature was just implemented (Firefox uses a different mechanism to screenshare with audio, and likely requires its own implementation). Movim works fine otherwise in Firefox or Librewolf.

    And remember, Discord itself is just an Electron app, which is literally just a stripped down Chromium browser without the browser controls, but is also itself spyware. Running Movim in a de-googled chromium is a huge step up, and running it in Firefox even more so. I think it's important not to make perfect be the enemy of good, in this case :)

  • Movim - An open-source, federated and encrypted Text Chat & Video Call (w/ screenshare!) platform made in France since 2010

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  • While there are forks of conversations (Cheogram & Monocles), Movim is not a fork, AFAIK. Did you read it was somewhere?

  • Open-source Discord alternatives

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  • I found this article much better: https://wiki.alopex.li/DitchingDiscord

    That's a really fantastic (and humorous!) summary of, well... everything. Didn't realize Matrix worked so differently.

  • The Eternal Playlist @crazypeople.online
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    Hello Meteor - The Coastal Office Center

  • GrapheneOS can help you retake your privacy, right now. | Veronica Explains

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  • I'd never heard of it being brick-prone. I suppose it's possible in the sense that updating a PC's BIOS could brick it if it loses power during the update, but I've never heard of Graphene's install process being particularly brick-prone.

    I've personally flashed 4 pixels (friend's and family's as well as mine), a couple of them multiple times (I tried CalyxOS before Graphene with my first pixels), and it's always been a super smooth process, never had anything go wrong.

  • GrapheneOS can help you retake your privacy, right now. | Veronica Explains

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  • It's only compatible with Pixel devices at the moment.

  • Help Movim Reach Its Goals for 2026 ✨

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  • Nice! ^^

  • GrapheneOS - break free from Google and Apple

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  • No Linux OS currently supports many models of phones, and the ones it does support, it is still quite janky and not ready for a general audience (calling is often flakey, phone apps are pretty glitchy, etc). The best we can do at the moment is either donate toward those projects with either money or code (if someone is able to) to help get more hands on it to polish it up and expand support for more phones.

    GrapheneOS is currently the only really polished privacy respecting mobile option that the average user can realistically adopt.

  • Do you prefer XMPP or Matrix powered apps as a discord alternative?

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  • I also notice from your recent Lemmy posts that you are evangelizing Movim pretty hard lately.

    I am, mainly due to the Discord situation which has resulted in much more interest in alternative platforms. After everything dies down and everyone is settled in their new platform, I'll likely be posting about it a bit less.

    but praising XMPP without mentioning its drawbacks

    I am mentioning its drawbacks; it does not have two very important Discord features as of now, which I explicitly point out. I also pointed out that screen sharing audio only works with Chromium browsers, which is another downside (I only use Firefox myself).

    while spreading outdated and vague criticism of other options

    You yourself said that the issues I had were only fixed a few months ago. I had been using it in the period you mention the problem existing in, but stopped using it due to those issues. I think it's a little unreasonable to expect me to regularly re-try every other platform before relating my past experiences with it (a few months is not that long ago). I'm glad to hear that problem has been finally resolved for them. As it's not relevant anymore, I won't mention it when relaying my experience with it in the future.

  • GrapheneOS can help you retake your privacy, right now. | Veronica Explains

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  • Pixel 10 is supported :)

  • ‘Reimagining matter’: Nobel laureate invents machine that harvests water from dry air

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  • They have a big AI section too, claiming how it shortens R&D from years to weeks... So probably bullshit.

  • Movim - An open-source, federated and encrypted Text Chat & Video Call (w/ screenshare!) platform made in France since 2010

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  • Ah, good to know! :p

  • Movim - An open-source, federated and encrypted Text Chat & Video Call (w/ screenshare!) platform made in France since 2010

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  • It's technically possible that native Movim apps could be built in the future, but it'd probably be a bit too much for the dev to tackle without additional help.

    The other clients can interact with each other without any special actions, similar to how Lemmy and Piefed users can. And you can use 1 XMPP account and log into any client, and it will retain your contacts and message history across them all. However:

    • A Conversations user wouldn't be able to join any group audio/video calls with Movim/Dino users, since it can only do 1-on-1 calls at the moment. It could still call individual Movim/Dino users with video.
    • Dino is fully compatible with Movim's group audio/video calls, but AFAIK it cannot initiate screensharing yet.

    If a Conversations user wanted to message a user currently using Movim, they would just need to add their username as a contact (Something@YourXMPPhost[.]com, just like Lemmy works), and the Movim user would get a notification just like they would if it'd come from a Movim user, and they can begin chatting or initiate a 1-on-1 call.

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    Movim - An open-source, federated and encrypted Text Chat & Video Call (w/ screenshare!) platform made in France since 2010

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  • GrapheneOS can help you retake your privacy, right now. | Veronica Explains

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  • They really do, now that you mention it. Adore both their stuff :)

  • Android @lemdro.id
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    GrapheneOS can help you retake your privacy, right now. | Veronica Explains

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  • Privacy @lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    GrapheneOS can help you retake your privacy, right now. | Veronica Explains

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  • RetroGaming @lemmy.world
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    CHRONICLES OF GUN MAN | Civvie11

  • XMPP @slrpnk.net
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    The Movim XMPP client is soon getting Discord-like rooms & spaces (preview in post body)

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  • micromobility - Bikes, scooters, boards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility @lemmy.world
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    The Bike Share Dilemma

  • Progressive Politics @lemmy.world
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    Why Progressives should flex their Anarchist Calisthenics

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  • DIY @slrpnk.net
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    Building an $18,000 96-channel Pipetting device for $250 with 3D Printing, Laser Cutting, and Off-the-shelf parts.

  • Food and Cooking @beehaw.org
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    Syrniki 2.0 recipe (easy and freezable)

  • Ukraine @sopuli.xyz
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    A walk around Lviv in wartime | Lindybeige

  • Climate @slrpnk.net
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    We don’t know how much warming is coming. Here’s why. | Simon Clark

  • Solarpunk @slrpnk.net
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    "This game is my apocalypse" - A thoughtful review of Terra Nil from a Solarpunk's perspective

  • Games @lemmy.world
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    "This game is my apocalypse" - A thoughtful review of Terra Nil from a Solarpunk's perspective

  • Progressive Politics @lemmy.world
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    Why it doesn't have to be overwhelming to start getting involved in the resistance. You can start fighting back at the level where you're at!

  • Solarpunk technology @slrpnk.net
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    A Homemade Refrigerated Vest That Can Run Off Battery or Solar Power

  • Lemmy Shitpost @lemmy.world
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    Dr. Phil Joins ICE

  • Anarchism and Social Ecology @slrpnk.net
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    Turin: 50,000 protest Askatasuna eviction - Freedom News

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  • RetroGaming @lemmy.world
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    Retro Game Battle 3 (Putting similar-ish games head-to-head) | GameSack