I think I should just choose Arch.

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      Got myself a VERY affordable refurbished surface laptop 3

      Intel graphics, intel chip - damn this will run Linux like a breeze.

      Boy was I wrong. Microsoft in their wisdom have some shenanigans going on.

      Managed to find a kernel on GitHub, when I installed it broke secure boot (my fault for not fully understanding) and then ended up losing access to the whole system.

      Long story short I’m back on windows 11 and researching how not to screw it up.

      I realise you didn’t ask for any of this info, but sometimes it’s nice to vent :)

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        Chalk it up as a lesson learned. There are some hoops you have to jump through, when installing Linux on a machine built and set up to use windows. One of these is secure boot.

        IIRC the older surfaces have some challenges. But usually, there are just a few switches you have to set right in the BIOS/UEFI-interface and then some things to be aware of when installing Linux (that don’t really have anything to do with being a windows machine, but with older hardware). One thing is to be aware, i& your running it in BIOS or UEFI mode. Afair, that has implications from the partition table on your system drive down to the possible partitioning-schemes of some system folders.

        And I don’t have experience with surface laptops, but I don’t think you’d need any obscure kernels from github. The mainline Linux Kernel should be fine, if you set it up correctly. And you shouldn’t be using Kernels from somewhere else, if you don’t absolutely know what you’re doing. (And even then, you’d be better off compiling it yourself, with the right settings).

        Usually though, it’s just a matter of having the right kernel-params set during boot and loading appropriate models, which can all be done with a stock kernel, either by using the right boot-flags or even on a running system.

        Compiling kernels, to my understanding, is something for Gentoo users, tinkerers and embedded system devs. Or if you want a streamlined installation on your laptop with minimal overhead; though that already puts you in the tinkerer category in my books.

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        I’ve got fedora and bazzite running on Surface Pro 5 and 4 without any issue. Touchscreen even works on Bazzite which was unexpected. Maybe the laptop is doing some weird things under the hood :(

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          I tried mint and Ubuntu - both Debian based though, worth giving Bazzite a whirl. If nothing else it’ll give me something to do for a few hours 😀

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            I’d say that unless you want a “game console” like experience, bazzite is maybe not the right option. It’s not bad but if you want a daily driver computer it’s probably not what you’re looking for.

            It’s fedora based, so if you’re curious about it, I’d just suggest using fedora. The big difference between it and Debian being the DNF package manager vs the APT package manager.

            For the secure boot issues, Debian derived systems shouldn’t have any specific issues, but it does require some extra steps on set up to get working properly, ones that are not going to be obvious at first glance In the documentation but should be fairly easy to do in the live boot session before instal.

            Also, I’m confused as to why you would download a kernel from GitHub? if you want to install Mint or Ubuntu, you should probably just use one of the ISO images they offer on their websites, write it to some sort of storage medium (probably flash drive), boot from that and then configure the install in the live session.

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              I’ve got bazzite running as a desktop OS and have done so for years. Not everyone is running virtual machines or modifying system files. Some people are using their computers for regular desktop stuff (like gaming, web browsing, photo and video editing, etc.).

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              the bigger difference to Debian, at least for me, is that before is based on the atomic version of fedora. I’m very happy with bazzite on my home pc, so i tried (the corresponding) fedora silverblue on my work laptop (10yo) and it works perfect!

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                There are immutable/atomic distos downstream of Debian and Arch as well.

                But I’m just not convinced atomic or immutable systems really bring anything to the table in regards to a daily driver. Like, the problems they solve are not that prevalent in my experience, and the limitations seem very extreme.

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                  that is probably just a matter of taste. it took me a bit to get used to it, but now i barely feel any limitations and enjoy it quiet much.

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                  They’re great for less tech savvy people, though terrible if you do know more and want to muck about your system more.

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                you’d probably want to change over to that kernel after getting the system running with the standard kernel rather than starting with it. Since most of the additional support is for ancillary things like multi touch support.

                Something you couldn’t really do with something like bazzite as it is immutable.

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    Mint is for everyone. It’s still one of my favourite distro as it’s reliable, yet not too far behind. It’s also batteries included so I’d say it’s the best distro for learning, and you can stick to it too.

    Went to nix for nerdy reason, but my emergency distro is still my old mint partition

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      And, you can use mainline to run bleeding edge kernels.

      I run mint on my laptop and desktop, and its great. Only problem i have is that sometimes i want bleeding edge stuff besides kernel and i cant because its ubuntu/debian based and ill have to compile it myself… Which i wont

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        Before I gone to nixos, I actually installed nix on mint, and it worked as great as flatpacks.

        Ok yeah it’s complicated to use, but you can just use it as a traditional package manager with nix-env.

        So if you want more recent packages, you may want to look into it (and ignore the complicated declarative part, unless you want to fall in the rabbit hole)

        • it worked as great as flatpacks

          Depending on your experience with flatpaks that’s not exactly a rousing endorsement :P

          I generally like the idea but often ran into issues that only the flatpak versions of applications would run into (stuttering/performance/permission issues mostly in my case). Most of the stuff I have is still a flatpak, but I do occasionally need to use appimages instead.

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            If you ignore problems due to lack of permission to open a folder (good. Get sandboxed, idiot.), I don’t have any issues with flatpacks apart that it uses a lot of space.

            Nix does too, but it actually reuse duplicate versions, and if you have BTRFS you can just dedupe it.

            Nowadays I don’t use flatpacks. Nix got everything I need

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      Last time I used Mint, the ffmpeg version was so disgustingly old that I couldn’t play YouTube videos I had downloaded. I understand why it’s recommended to beginners so much, but I think that something like Bazzite which has much newer software in its repos is much better if one wants everything to just work.

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        Bazzite is an immutable distro, which is great for something like a console or a hand held, where it’s only really supposed to do one thing, but not really advisable for a daily driver system. it’s not unreasonable that someone might want to change some core element of their system, and an immutable distro makes that super difficult to do.

        The newer packages come from it using DNF package manager via being based on fedora. So if the issue is old packages then Fedora or something Arch based would probably a better suggestion then bazzite which is for a very specific use case. But realistically, outdated packages is not usually due to using the APT package manager, usually it comes from getting an unofficial package that isn’t being maintained well, usually from a “software store” or “software center” that allows unofficial packages to be listed. Flat pack (what bazzite defaults to using in its software store I think) has less of this issue, but there are plenty of poorly maintained flat packs out there that will cause this issue as well. Out dated packages are just the risk of relying on an GUI program for interacting with the package manager at the moment.

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          You still need to enable third-party repositories like RPMFusion on Fedora for a lot of packages, which may annoy the average beginner. Immutability is really not an issue for most use cases, and if it is then Nobara also exists.

          But realistically, outdated packages is not usually due to using the APT package manager

          No outdated package is the fault of the package manager. The software in Mint’s (and also Debian’s) apt repositories are just old because they are long-term support distros.

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    I chose Arch as my first distro and have never regretted it. Debian is also cool as fuck. So is Mint. I love Linux btw

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    Mint has a debian edition if you’re not down for ubuntu. I use it and it’s pretty solid.

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    Mint is fine; I use it for my parents to get them off of Windows and for me.

    Bonus? No snap. I’m tempted to also move over to Debian now that I know Linux Desktop a bit more.

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    Wut?

    Mint MATE has been my daily driver for a decade plus now. I got a new rig last year and installing it was the first thing I did.

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    I’ve always been running Ubuntu- or Debian-derived distros on all my laptops and desktops since I switched to Linux, including those specifically billed as “low in resource use” (Crunchbang/Bunsenlabs FTW). Works great, very little hassle.

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    I have a 15+ year old laptop with an nvidia graphics card of the same age and it runs Mint fine. Cinnamon is a bit slow, but xcfe is pretty good, given the hardware.

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    Mint is if Ubuntu was still good like in 2015.

    Also why not make conky transparent?