I have a difficult one: the comic is Pictures for Sad Children. It doesn’t have a signature. It got nuked off the web when the creator had a breakdown (I think). The creator disappeared and has since transitioned, so attributing it to the then-published name would be deadnaming someone. How should it be attributed?
I think that’s an iffy area, because whats the differentiation between “The image I found was already like that” and someone intentionally removing it.
Unless they admitted to it like some have, I don’t see that as easily enforceable.
Yeah, but personally I would do it on a “good faith” system. If someone accidentally put a cropped comic, and someone calls them out, if they edit it back it’s fine. But if they repeatedly post cropped comics, they get banned
I agree a good faith system would be best, I think it would be a good idea to ban or delete posts where they have admitted that they cropped it but, I think forcing a must have source or repeated no source type rule isn’t going to be a good route. It will disincentivize people from wanting to post in the first place if they don’t already have a source on the post. Some may prefer that but, honestly on an already low userbase platform, I don’t think that’s a good thing.
that’s a tough one. I miss PfSD. I loved that one. Saved my favorite strips when they’d pop up. I didn’t know the author transitioned. I’d attribute it as Pictures for Sad Children by [name, not deadname], but honestly i’d ask the author what they’d like if i could get in touch.
you’re still the same person under there, and were back then, just people didn’t know you by that name is how i view it.
The Wikipedia article attributes the strip to Simone Veil, and that’s what their current Patreon goes by, so I guess that’s what I’d go with. I had actually stumbled across one direct interview a number of years after the project wound down, and really appreciated her opening up about it.
thank you. I got really into webcomics when i was going through my surgical processes (gotta hyperfocus on something, right?). I had an RSS feed of my 150 favorite (rough number). I always liked to have a peek behind the curtain and was rooting for the best for my authors
I mean I’d just ignore the dead name but I am not trans, I am probably not the right person to ask. The most right person to ask is the artist, the next right person to ask is the trans community in general.
One artist’s opinion: I think for historical artistic works, it’s appropriate to use the name the artist used when the work was created, especially if the signature is part of the work. If an artist rereleases art under a new name, that attribution would be preferred (assuming it is actually them and not a ripoff, not sure how to manage that). Old works could still be reposted but with an annotation.
After a quick search I came across the Grand Comics Database which doesn’t cover deadnames specifically, but it does have a protocol for handling pseudonyms. I am partial to the term “Ghost name”. I might even start using it myself instead of deadname, because they do tend to linger.
I personally would not be including the formally known part in combination of the current name. That can be a very sensitive part of the process and, many when they drop their name are looking to just leave that part of their life behind, and attributing to it would be a link to it.
I agree with the other person, if I had contact with the artist, I would ask, if not I would default to the name that was present when the art was made. but I also would not link to a website as the new website would almost certainly be the current name.
You could also look at the current art to see if they have the sources under the old or new name as well if it was re-uploaded, if so then its probably safe to use the current name.
I have a difficult one: the comic is Pictures for Sad Children. It doesn’t have a signature. It got nuked off the web when the creator had a breakdown (I think). The creator disappeared and has since transitioned, so attributing it to the then-published name would be deadnaming someone. How should it be attributed?
This is more of a matter of not removing artist credits that were there. If it never existed then it’s fine.
I think that’s an iffy area, because whats the differentiation between “The image I found was already like that” and someone intentionally removing it.
Unless they admitted to it like some have, I don’t see that as easily enforceable.
Yeah, but personally I would do it on a “good faith” system. If someone accidentally put a cropped comic, and someone calls them out, if they edit it back it’s fine. But if they repeatedly post cropped comics, they get banned
I agree a good faith system would be best, I think it would be a good idea to ban or delete posts where they have admitted that they cropped it but, I think forcing a must have source or repeated no source type rule isn’t going to be a good route. It will disincentivize people from wanting to post in the first place if they don’t already have a source on the post. Some may prefer that but, honestly on an already low userbase platform, I don’t think that’s a good thing.
that’s a tough one. I miss PfSD. I loved that one. Saved my favorite strips when they’d pop up. I didn’t know the author transitioned. I’d attribute it as Pictures for Sad Children by [name, not deadname], but honestly i’d ask the author what they’d like if i could get in touch.
you’re still the same person under there, and were back then, just people didn’t know you by that name is how i view it.
The Wikipedia article attributes the strip to Simone Veil, and that’s what their current Patreon goes by, so I guess that’s what I’d go with. I had actually stumbled across one direct interview a number of years after the project wound down, and really appreciated her opening up about it.
thank you. I got really into webcomics when i was going through my surgical processes (gotta hyperfocus on something, right?). I had an RSS feed of my 150 favorite (rough number). I always liked to have a peek behind the curtain and was rooting for the best for my authors
Art by Current Name (formally known as Dead Name) would be my best guess
I mean I’d just ignore the dead name but I am not trans, I am probably not the right person to ask. The most right person to ask is the artist, the next right person to ask is the trans community in general.
One artist’s opinion: I think for historical artistic works, it’s appropriate to use the name the artist used when the work was created, especially if the signature is part of the work. If an artist rereleases art under a new name, that attribution would be preferred (assuming it is actually them and not a ripoff, not sure how to manage that). Old works could still be reposted but with an annotation.
After a quick search I came across the Grand Comics Database which doesn’t cover deadnames specifically, but it does have a protocol for handling pseudonyms. I am partial to the term “Ghost name”. I might even start using it myself instead of deadname, because they do tend to linger.
I personally would not be including the formally known part in combination of the current name. That can be a very sensitive part of the process and, many when they drop their name are looking to just leave that part of their life behind, and attributing to it would be a link to it.
I agree with the other person, if I had contact with the artist, I would ask, if not I would default to the name that was present when the art was made. but I also would not link to a website as the new website would almost certainly be the current name.
You could also look at the current art to see if they have the sources under the old or new name as well if it was re-uploaded, if so then its probably safe to use the current name.
That’s pretty tough.