Who ever thought punk was not progressive? At minimum it was blatantly anti-authoritarian and counter to the conservative culture in Thatcher’s UK and Reagan’s US. Why would anyone be shocked to find out that it was also pro-choice, feminist, and anti-discriminatory?
Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title for most people who weren’t actually interested in punk. The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.
Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title
Nah. They tried REAL hard to infiltrate and take over, but real punks always managed to repel them.
for most people who weren’t actually interested in punk
And/or were just old fogies.
The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.
Corporate news and undermining left wing people by conflating them with far right hate clubs. Name a more iconic duo.
That’s new to me. Where I live, punks and skinheads are natural enemies
Like skinheads and goths, or skinheads and greasers, or skinheads and other skinheads
Labor skinheads and neonazi skinheads.
I was so sad when I discovered the Hammerskins were a thing (a White Power band inspired by Pink Floyd’s Waiting For The Worms, but without the irony, with a corresponding militant movement). The Hammerskins took their logo:
From the Hammers banner from the movie version of Pink Floyd’s The Wall
Which means when I reference the Hammers in parody of white power movements, I risk being associated with an actual white power movement.
If they had balls, they’d call themselves The Worms.
<looking up to make sure The Worms isn’t a social movement yet>
And the worms ate into his brain!
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That’s true everywhere. The issue isn’t what they are, the issue is how they were deliberately misrepresented. A whole lot of films and shows made it a point to conflate punks with white supremacists.
I wanted to say that that’s what they are seen here in Germany. I have never heard of these films and the idea is new to me. Btw: the original skinheads were left working class so maybe history repeats itself here.
The Nazi skinheads co-opted skinhead. After the Geraldo Rivera episode everyone I knew let their hair grow out because they didn’t want to be associated with that shit. Before that there were only a few isolated scenes where you’d see Nazi skinheads. Cutting off your hair was popular in the hardcore punk scenes because it was contrary to the long feathered hair popular in the 70’s and 80’s plus it was a lot easier than trying to get a Mohawk to stand up straight. That took a whole can of hairspray and we were all broke.
Nazi punks can fuck off
That’s got a great ring to it!
Because the right have been carefully spending decades rewriting history and dumbfucks keep falling for it. Punk, doctor who and ratm were never conservative but pundits will tell you at great length how shocked and appalled they are when these things keep being left af
Some people just like the music and are either bad at media analysis or don’t care enough to look into to further than the surface level.
Like Paul Ryan loving Rage Against The Machine.
Wasn’t punk always woke?
conservatives and reactionaries either want to keep the status quo or regress, but they know the concept is super uncool so they have to do all these mental gymnastics to pretend progressives are the ones in charge (just by the virtue of slow progress through the decades) so by being regressive they’re actually part of an anti-establishment subculture. it’s wild, but you can’t be conservative without seeing the world upside down so it tracks in a sense.
that’s why some of them like bands like rage against the machine, not realizing they are the machine the band is talking about.
I kinda felt bad when Paul Ryan said his favorite was Rage and they dissed him of course. Would stink to have your favorite band literally hate you.
Was also like bruh how are you processing these lyrics???
you felt bad cause you have this thing called empathy, which Paul Ryan demonstrably lacks. fuck him and everyone around him.
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Obligatory “Nazi punks fuck off”
They are so woke, their wokeness needs to be in a fucking museum!
It’s almost as if they don’t give a damn about their bad reputation.
Also, there is a need for this Video in this thread.
It’s crazy how like delusioned people are Like punk is all about punching Nazis and Star wars has always been political The empire is basically a Nazi analog
Like come on man
The Empire is America, the rebels were the Vietcong. Lucas has said this specifically in multiple interviews. The Nazis helped with the uniforms, but The Empire is directly based on Wilsonian Doctrine.
Basically what happened is some people started to pretend good art has absolutely no politics in it, except they decided what constitutes as politics, usually giving free pass to the “offensive humor” types like South Park and iDubbz.
damn I had to look up what idubbz is and it just… seems so unappealing
why are all these YouTube “celebrities” so lame is it really just cause they happened to be appealing to tweens when cell phones were invented
The appeal of iDubbz back in the content cop days was that it was unfiltered and gritty. I never much cared for the jackass style shock factor things he did together with filthy Frank but he was the king of burning down vapid youtube one-day-wonders like ricegum.
It has a huge “you had to be there” factor nowadays though in my opinion. I have never felt compelled to go back and rewatch anything because it just doesn’t seem to fit into this era of the internet.
Don’t know about the Nazi analogy, but in the original Book (The adventures of Luke Skywalker) on which the original movies are based, the emperor is literally described as being Nixon.
You’re kidding, right? They’re literally called stormtroopers
It’s like Lucas was accusing America of doing things Nazis would do! But that’s unpossible!
Star Trek has gone woke is the one that gets me. Let That Be Your Last Battlefield was not subtle and by the time of Far Beyond the Stars they weren’t bothering with analogs.
If you want a good laugh, ask a boomer what woke means, they have no idea
it’s understandable that they don’t
If you ask a millennial then woke is a sarcastic term for someone who cares about fake social issues: like needing to stop gay marriage for society to exist
If you ask a zoomer then woke is a non-sarcastic term for someone who cares about real social issues: like needing to permit gay marriage so people can be equal
Obviously the zoomers are wrong about the term because they came after but enough of them use the term that way that it is no longer wrong
I’m a millennial, woke to me has always meant having your eyes open to see the bullshit in front of you.
