You must log in or # to comment.
I stopped at ps3. But when I worked at Activision, I learned that the ps5 was a great system to work on for development. It’s too bad that they’re fucking over consumers
I mean, given how hard the PS3 was to develop for I’d imagine Sony learned their lesson there.
PS5 and series X are pretty much just standardised PCs as far as hardware is concerned and they’re both full AMD setups to boot, I imagine it’s much easier to develop console games now.
PS3 had a weird ass CPU architecture. Very hard to make use of efficiently because of specialised coprocessors IIRC.
I actually ended up with a hierarchy of dev kits. I found the last gen kits to be miserable to work with, but the xbox dev sdk is pretty nice for both series and xbone. The PS5 is at the top for their suite of development tools. PS4 in comparison was horrific to use. PC with bnet was really good, but the build list could be overwhelming. There were times where different localization servers on the same server had different builds, it got very confusing at times
- PS5
- Battle.net
- Xbox series
- Xbox series retail
- Xbox one
- PS4
My ps3 was my last PlayStation couldn’t justify a ps4 and the ps5 was a nightmare for all the games releasing digital only (or having a disc that was effectively a drink coaster due to the game still needing downloaded in order to play)
I noticed the PS4 games took up way more hard drive space than the PS3 ones
Some PS3 games where 20-40GB each. You didn’t see the file size since the game actually ran off the disc. For a console where the average system size was 160GB is was not enough.
I would take a guess and say PS4 games took way more space than PS2 and PS1 as well.
It seems that games run more from the disc than say the PS3 hard drive.
Don’t you still need the disc for the license
Yes, but if/when Sony kills support for those systems the disc becomes a useless piece of plastic unless you have the entire game catalog installed. A ton of discs don’t contain enough of the game data to be playable out of the box.
I’ve been team Sony since the first PS. PS5 is my last.
Yea im kinda sad about it from nostalgia.
But fuck em.
Sony throws out the discs so they can make camera parts instead.
They sure are grateful of their customers.
Linux PC is the only option left
You don’t own your games on Steam either.
Realistically we need laws changing to catch up. Nobody, not even good old uncle Gabe, are going to give us the same rights we had with physical games.
Support for Linux isn’t support for Steam.
Most games on steam arent DRM, so nothing stops you from backing up all your games.
Also for ones that use Steam DRM it can be simulated. It’s a stretch to call it hard DRM and I wish more people would mention this aspect.
Not having tens of thousands to spend on storage is a bit of a blocker in my case.
Just get a used LTO6 tape drive. You can get 6TB (compressed) cartridges for like $15 each on ebay.
I will look into this, thank you!
I own my GOG games though. Factorio, which I got straight from WUBE, I also own.
I understand there are different levels to the word “own”.
Own them as in “I can play them even if that store is unavailable in the future” is one level.
Own them as in “I can trade/give them to others when I don’t want them any more” is another.
One is not better than the other, and they’re not mutually exclusive. But physical gives you both of them. Digital doesn’t. Or not yet at least.
Digital is better then surely? I can give it to you and still have my original.
Ah, the good old days.
You own them the same way you own Steam Games without DRM. If you keep a backup of them you’ll always have them but if the store goes away or terminates the files you won’t be able to re-download it from them.
So the same as physical games then, if you lose your copy its gone. But its much easier to backup and have multiple.
You really aren’t selling physical media with DRM to me, and they always seem to have DRM. I could make 20 copies on bluray if I wanted to with my games, much harder with your physical ones.
You don’t own games on gog, you just have a offline DRM free installer
If you want to go down the technicality of owning that much the same applies to physical media for games.
I could copy my installer to a DVD and at that point it doesn’t really make a difference, oh look its physical now.
Steam is still driving a lot of support for Proton and other open-source development for gaming on Linux, which is why they’re still worth supporting. And if (maybe when) they enshittify, then it is far easier to sail the high seas on any Linux gaming rig than it is on any console.
You also don’t need to buy a game on Steam to benefit from Steam’s Proton.
True, but I do anyway because they consistently create the nicest gaming experience and have a plethora of nice features like their super user-friendly controller customization system.
Dude I’m not even into consoles/gaming but this dystopian blade runner capitalism shit hits home every day now. Even frozen meals are becoming so tasteless/expensive I’m starting to wonder how decapitating someone will make it taste better.
I’m starting to wonder how decapitating someone will make it taste better.
Sorry wat. O.o
I think what they’re trying to say is, mmm tasty billionaires.
You might wanna refer to a psychiatrist
I’m convinced that Sony and Microsoft formed an agreement to both enshittify. Sony dropped the ball but Microsoft isn’t even trying to capitalise on that failure. Competition would usually immediately hit any signs of weakness but Microsoft isn’t even doing it. From the looks of it, Microsoft is even doing their own mistakes alongside Sony.
They don’t care about the consumer market anymore. All the money in society moved to the top 10% and those are their customers now.
What do you think of Nintendo nowadays?
MS aren’t trying to capitalise because they were already planning to do the same thing. Maybe for the fact they did it first, Sony are getting all the heat while the other players are sitting back waiting for it to blow over. And it will.
The fact is, most people don’t want physical media. Even the people complaining aren’t really complaining about physical media, they are complaining about buying a licence to software, which has been a thing longer than most people complaining have been alive.
Enshittification happens all over the world in almost every company. It isn’t limited to those two console makers.
So i doubt they would need to form an agreement on this.
I bought a ps4 for $20 in mint condition after being a die hard 360 player.
Its all linux from here, baybeee
My last Playstation was the PS4, there’s not enough exclusive games on PS5 to make me buy it instead invest on my rig, also lots pf games who have been launched also runs on PS4, so it was meaningless anyway
The forced PlayStation plus for online was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Long live free PS3 multiplayer. The games are expensive already at $80.
PS4 was my last one. I was up for getting a PS5 but it was too expensive when it came out and the scalpers got them all. I thought “No worries, I’ll just wait and it’ll get cheaper.” And then it just kept getting more expensive forever.
I was team PlayStation until the Vita, which betrayed my trust.
How Sony handled the PS4 made me lose faith in the company as a whole, with how they handled PS Plus
And the PS5 just made it easier to never buy from them again.
Sony is only a good company when it’s trying to win, while loosing. See PS1 and the end of PS3 era
PS3 is the last gaming console I can get behind, even if it wasn’t perfect. Everything has been enshittified to all hell since then and I just can’t any more. I actually bought a PS5, but the experience was just horrible. All the good things (the games boot up incredibly fast, I was actually amazed) were just drowned out by the negative aspects. I sold mine not long after. Never again. Tech is a living nightmare and nothing is exciting any more, just privacy violations and hostility to consumers. Nothing is worth it.
I turned a refurbed gaming laptop into my last console. Runs nixos that boots straight into fullscreened gamescope -> steamos big picture ui. Best damn gaming srtup ive ever had
How much did the laptop cost you?
Was about 2000 usd brand new, which i think amounts to about 1000 bucks in good comdition now?
Its an acer nitro 5 an515-55, p nice specs for when it released (2016-2020 ish i think).
Actually my gf’s old work machine (she does a lot of 3d modelling), we got a replacement free of charge because of manufacturing error regarding the battery, so its just been laying around. Perfect for this usecase as i just removed the battery, bypassing any funkiness in there.
So yeah lots of unknown variables there. If i had completely free choice id have gone with an amd gpu based machine. Muuuch less setup involved. The only real challenge in the setup was getting the nvidia gpu to play nice lol
sry for the infodump you triggered my ‘special interest’ trap card :P
That’s so cool and so fortunate to get! I’m not big into PC specs, but I understand it plays most games rather well, no?
No worries at all - I love me a good info dump :)
My old work laptop has an 11th gen i9 and rtx 3080 (laptop) and it goes for about $900 on ebay these days. Basically the same as a PS5 pro.
🤔 crazy to think that building a PC was cheaper before RAMageddon
I regret my ps4 and happy I opted out when ps5 came around. Xbox has been faffing about since the 360 era. Consoles are no longer relevant.
Would’ve been perfect with the disc version of the PS5.
Same, fuck Sony
Down with discless Sony.
