Could you elaborate on this? I know the OUN used “Slava Ukraini” and the call and response with “glory to the heroes” is similar to the call and response you mention, but I have never heard of it being “explicitly modeled” on the Nazi slogan.
Looking it up all I see are atlanticist freaks talking about how Bandera merely had a brief “strategic alliance” with the Nazis (something that I am familiar with the heinous deceptiveness of).
Looking it up all I see are atlanticist freaks talking about how Bandera merely had a brief “strategic alliance” with the Nazis (something that I am familiar with the heinous deceptiveness of).
Same people who will use Molotov-Ribbentrop to portray the USSR as staunch Nazi allies
I’m afraid I can’t remember where I read it. The only source I could find from a cursory search (on Yandex of course, western search engines return nothing) is this blog post which says that it was adopted at the second conference of the OUN, in fascist Rome in 1939 at which time Bandera was networking with all the European fascists - however this blog also doesn’t cite any sources, so it’s not much more help.
I did manage to find this photo of a banner in occupied Ukraine during WW2
It says “Heil Hitler! Slava NazisHitler, Slava Ukraine!”
The phrase first appeared at the beginning of the 20th century in different variations, when it became popular among Ukrainians during the Ukrainian War of Independence from 1917 to 1921.[1] The response “Glory to the heroes!” first appeared during the Ukrainian War of Independence or later in the 1920s among members of the League of Ukrainian Nationalists.[2] In the 1930s, it became widespread as a slogan of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN),[3] as well as Ukrainian diaspora groups and refugee communities in the West during the Cold War. In the Soviet Union, the phrase was forbidden. The phrase eventually resurfaced in Ukraine during the country’s struggle for independence in connection with the fall of the Soviet Union. Its use was revived again during the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and the Russo-Ukrainian War, during which it became a widely popular symbol in Ukraine.
The source it lists for that has a note for the Nova Rada paper dated 1917 that says it “Slava! Slava Ukraine!” in the middle. https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/c/1/c17df46-1917.2b23dde-03-zboty-v-dii-vtsi.jpg
The source says it goes back earlier to around 1900 by Kharkiv Ukrainian students’ association. Not sure how dependable Istorychna Pravda is as a source. The author is Yury Yuzych, head of Plast Supervisory Council, which is some international Ukrainian network (particularly in Canada) so I assume it’s fascist in nature. Found a Radio Free Europe article where he’s associated with a “patriotic summer camp” in Ukraine from 2024 so I’m like 90% he’s a fascist.
Whenever I see or hear “Slava Ukraini” I viscerally react as though it were a sieg heil.
Same
It was explicitly modeled on ‘Heil Hitler - Sieg heil’.
Could you elaborate on this? I know the OUN used “Slava Ukraini” and the call and response with “glory to the heroes” is similar to the call and response you mention, but I have never heard of it being “explicitly modeled” on the Nazi slogan.
Looking it up all I see are atlanticist freaks talking about how Bandera merely had a brief “strategic alliance” with the Nazis (something that I am familiar with the heinous deceptiveness of).
Same people who will use Molotov-Ribbentrop to portray the USSR as staunch Nazi allies
During the “strategic alliance”, they also used Slava Ukraini and Slava Heroiam as the call/response to their Nazi allies’ Heil Hitler.
Like if a Banderite and a Nazi met, it would either go “Heil Hitler” “Slava Heroiam” or “Slava Ukraini” “Sieg Heil”.
I believe you, but do you have a source for that?
I’m afraid I can’t remember where I read it. The only source I could find from a cursory search (on Yandex of course, western search engines return nothing) is this blog post which says that it was adopted at the second conference of the OUN, in fascist Rome in 1939 at which time Bandera was networking with all the European fascists - however this blog also doesn’t cite any sources, so it’s not much more help.
I did manage to find this photo of a banner in occupied Ukraine during WW2
It says “Heil Hitler! Slava
NazisHitler, Slava Ukraine!”It’s “Слава Гiтлеровi” - “Glory to Hitler”
So it is, I should have known enough Cyrillic by now to have spotted that
I can’t precisely remember, where I read this.
Wikipedia article basically covers it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_Ukraini
Sounds weird, because I literally never seen this phrase mentioned in any contemporary accounts before late 1920s-early 1930s.
The source it lists for that has a note for the Nova Rada paper dated 1917 that says it “Slava! Slava Ukraine!” in the middle.
https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/c/1/c17df46-1917.2b23dde-03-zboty-v-dii-vtsi.jpg
The source says it goes back earlier to around 1900 by Kharkiv Ukrainian students’ association. Not sure how dependable Istorychna Pravda is as a source. The author is Yury Yuzych, head of Plast Supervisory Council, which is some international Ukrainian network (particularly in Canada) so I assume it’s fascist in nature. Found a Radio Free Europe article where he’s associated with a “patriotic summer camp” in Ukraine from 2024 so I’m like 90% he’s a fascist.