Anyone can make a cool-sounding quip. One I’ve heard a lot is “If voting could change anything, they wouldn’t let us do it.”
The Hungarian flag might be a better choice here instead of the US flag.
I love how the same people who say voting is pointless because both sides are bad are the same people who complain about people saying both sides are bad.
karmawhores
They try hard to stop people from the groups they know don’t support them, because that makes the cost of fraud more, as the competition will have an easier time doing it themselves.
yup, only reason they do it is because its a bigger pain in the ass later to rewrite for the history books if they don’t manage decent.
Have fun voting for the people they pre-select for you. https://calmatters.org/politics/2026/03/green-party-candidate-governor/
To anyone who doesn’t read the link, they gave the most likely candidate to actually beat the corporate-owned Democrats 10 minutes to support updated paperwork, and disqualified him when he didn’t respond within 10 minutes.
Now Bacerra is virtually guaranteed to be governor. He is, to no one’s surprise, owned by corporations. He allegedly said “what Israel did is not within international norms and it should not be part of the community of nations”, but being a corporate-owned Democrat, I’d be surprised if he actually does… anything at all to facilitate Pissrael’s expulsion from civilization.
We’re obligated to use every tool at our disposal in the fight. No one tool will fix everything.
Voting is one of our many tools
Voting is one of our many tools
It’s only a tool if there’s a non-fascist candidate available. Name one such person in the US.
“All candidates are fascist.” - Smooth Brain
You? are are you not in the USA?
If not, then your opinion is irrelevant, no?
this is why your country will not learn from this experience, to many of you are still far to proud.
I’ve never been to the USA, and I thank God every day for that.
Why though? Are we only allowed to have opinions about the countries we currently live in?
Well, my point stands regardless of country. If all the parties and their candidates are fascists - voting is pretty much pointless.
Luckily, that’s usually not the case in most countries, so voting may have some sort of impact. Even if the party you vote for only gets 3% of votes.
You’re apparently getting downvoted for not being an American but
As an American (or my preference, a future citizen of the New California Republic), I agree with you when it comes to federal-level and upper-state-level politics. Local politics can have actual human candidates, but it’s only fascist reptiles higher up - yes, even Bernie, who is a liberal Zionist.
Ilhan Omar is maybe the only exception.
We’re obligated to use every tool at our disposal in the fight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_boycott
Voting is one of our many tools
You need someone to vote for.
Election boycotts require a mass movement to work, not just general disenfranchisement and non participation. Catalonia comes to mind, as controversial as that was by the “just vote” crowd when the referendums were making headlines. I can’t think of many places in the US where that sort of coordinated non-participation is even floated as an idea in the public consciousness. If you have any examples I’d be interested to hear though
Election boycotts require a mass movement to work
Absolutely. And that’s what we saw during the '24 primary in Michigan. Tens of thousands of spoiled ballots from residents disgusted with the Gaza Genocide.
You need someone to vote for.
Easy. I will vote for the person who will do the least harm to my country as it is a fact that someone will be elected.
vote for the person who will do the least harm
Republicans say they’re doing this every election cycle.
Democrats say they’re doing this every election cycle.
It does not appear to be a working strategy, when your “least harm” candidates are all dictated by their advertising budgets and national media relationships
Who would you vote for in an election between Mussolini and Franco? Because that is where your country is headed
ah yes, because there are only two candidates on every ballot.
I see a lot less trying and a lot more doing…
Voting is useful. But it is not enough.
voting is fine, but your vote can’t change how other people vote. this is where a lot of folks seem to throw up their hands, like if they don’t win, there was no point.
and it can change who is on the ballot… if you vote in the primaries. which were just yesterday… and how many people voted in those? 22% in CA, compared to 62% who voted in 2024 general.
the problem with voting, and in life in general, is most folks want everyone else to do the work for them, and then they want to complain about the result not being what they wanted… while they never participated. and if you call them out, they call you a jerk or make excuses.
You don’t have to vote in every election, sure, but there is a major difference between being aware/active and not trying at all.
I voted.
Was pretty easy. I started by removing all Republicans from consideration. Then I used the internet to do some looking into the remaining candidates and made my selections. Remember to do a little extra research on anyone listed as “independent” or “no party” as they might be wolves in sheep’s clothing. I found two Republicans who ran as not Republican to try to get more votes.
Took me roughly an hour and there were a lot of positions/candidates on this ballot.
Not that hard, folks.
I voted too!
Anti-incumbent for the most part, and voted for a lot of third party and independent candidates locally.
fundamentally misunderstands why people don’t vote before all of this, dems also suck and also bleed the country dry and get up to under handed behavior as well without punishing offenders. only dif is that they’re not actively attacking people. a cold comfort in reality, i would suggest to those people moving to a dif country if they can tho. nothing for them in the states or any place in a similar situation since even if they win they’ll be right back where they started before with a bigger bill.
I find many anarchists are against electoralism but still vote because they recognize it’s easy and can make a tiny difference. They just focue their efforts on direct action rather than electoral politics. The ones who say “don’t vote” are idiots
Anarchism isn’t strictly about being against electoralism. It’s more about the justification of power.
If a hierarchical system can’t morally justify why some should command and others should obey then it should be dismantled.
There are valid reasons to vote and there are valid reasons not to vote.
As an example: many indigenous people living on land the US claims to own were made certain promises by the US government. These promises were made to their people as a nation, not to them as individuals. By accepting US citizenship and voting in US elections, they would be tacitly legitimizing the occupation of their land and also surrendering any claim to the land they were promised. In fact, the US government often attempted to force citizenship upon indigenous people whether they wanted it or not.
As a white person, I suppose I may as well vote, but voting is part of the corrupt imperialist system and therefore part of the problem, and I won’t disparage anyone who has a conviction against participating.
That’s a good point, although I would still argue that not voting in that case is a useful form of resistance. Like have governments ever felt threatened by nonvoters? Especially the US?
Yeah, but how do you feel about people who don’t care about any of that? is that a valid reason to vote?
Why is the dog wearing an anarchism T shirt? That it not what anarchism is at all.
Maybe. That is, though, what people who wear anarchism t-shirts are.
you clearly don’t own a dog.
Man so many people want to change the world and won’t do a single thing to actually do anything huh?
yeah, because day-dreaming is easy and never fails. changing things, is hard, and fails often.
Yep. People want their bespoke utopiae, and don’t want to do any little thing to push society in that direction. They want it to magically appear.
https://www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/ thanks to anarchist @PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus for showing it to me
Inside you there are 2 wolves
