- cross-posted to:
- fediverse@hexbear.net
- cross-posted to:
- fediverse@hexbear.net
Note: Judging by the comments, a lot of people are obviously not reading the post and are instead assuming we are calling for defederation of lemmy.world. That is not the case, and in fact the opposite is true. LW already temporarily defederated anarchist.nexus once, and the evidence suggests Mr Kaplan is now pushing for full defederation of all the FAF instances. We are trying to build a coalition of instances that will agree to defederate from lemmy.world IF Kaplan goes ahead with the defederation. Apologies if you weren’t aware of the context.
🏴☠️ Hoist the Black Flag: Pledge to Boycott Lemmy World!
… if Lemmy World dares to defederate from any ship in the Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla - https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/, https://anarchist.nexus/, and https://quokk.au/.
Mateys, we can’t let a mega‑instance captain bully the rest of the fleet just because their ship’s bigger. If Lemmy World tries to throw the FAF overboard, we’re calling for a show of solidarity: a fediverse blockade of Lemmy World in response, until the landlubbers see reason (i.e., there is an acceptable change in their leadership and/or this policy).
This is about mutual aid, not mutiny - standing together so no single admin gets to rule the seas unchallenged. A united armada of smaller instances can absolutely blunt Lemmy World’s outsized influence (and, let’s be honest, their ego).
☠️ A word to the captains: before hoisting colours or locking in a course, we ask ye to let your crew have their say. Run a poll, open the deck for discussion, and listen to the voices aboard your vessel. These seas belong to all of us, and decisions that shape our fediverse should be made together, not from the captain’s quarters alone.
If other captains be keen to chart this course with us, drop anchor and make the pledge public in the comments. The more hands on deck, the harder it is to sink any one of us. Let us know if you are holding a vote!
dbzer0 and AN members can vote on this pledge in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and quokk.au will be holding their own vote.
🏴☠️ Solidarity forever, and fair winds to the Flotilla!
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To clarify, this is not a vote to defederate. This a call to instance admins to pledge for a mutual protection pact.
NGL, I kinda want us to defederate.
I’ve started to reply a few times trying to dig into what Zionism exactly means and all that. The truth is, the nuances of what is happening over there is a bit beyond my understanding. I thought it was wrong when the Germans were rounding up and gassing Jews in the 1930s and 1940s. And I think it’s wrong that the Jews are now committing genocide against the Palestinians. The difference is, the world sided against genocide almost 100 years ago… but most of the world seems to be siding with genocide now. I don’t get it.
Here’s what I do know: Lemmy and the Fediverse is fucking awesome. I even kind of like how shit places like Truth Social and Lemmy.world can exist… I do not believe in an echo chamber. That said, if someone is toxic, I think it is fine to cut them out. I think the problem if we do not defederate is, we justify the actions of the people who are fighting to make Lemmy.world the only instance people care about. I browse /all, which means I see all the comms on all the instances. And it seems like there are two kinds of Lemmings who create posts: those who cross-post across Lemmy.world, and those who cross-post across multiple instances. I like the latter a lot more, because if we do defederate from Lemmy.world, then we’ll still get content. The former group bugs me because I feel like interacting with them at all supports Lemmy.world, and if they’re siding with genocide, against human rights, I do not want to be a part of that.
Since the drama with Lemmy.world has began, I’ve seen that a lot of the communities I enjoy following are actually on Lemmy.world. But I don’t want to support them. I make long, thoughtful posts and I feel we need more of that on Lemmy. I don’t want to contribute to people I’m politically and/or ethically opposed to the actions of. I would rather dbzer0 or other flotilla involved or flotilla aligned instances had those same comms and discussions, and that my energy would be better spent there.
Even though I may be among the least political dbzer0 user, I’m here because I looked at the instances and said “hey, I don’t really dig everything dbzer0 is about, but they seem to support free speech, and I’m here for that.” I looked at Lemmy.world too, but it just seemed too… I dunno. Too much like Reddit? Too… corporate? I like that it’s big and it brings new Lemmings in, but I don’t like the lack of diversity of opinion over there. Reddit was such an echo chamber, and while its opinions shifted, it was always a bit of a problem. I’d rather be welcomed on an instance I don’t fully agree with because it supports freedom of speech (to a point, obviously; we’re never free from consequences) than walk on eggshells on Lemmy.world.
I also have a PieFed account on an instance that is wholly apolitical, so I don’t think it will defederate from anyone or be defederated by anyone… except maybe the porn one? But no great loss there, IMO.
…yeah, I think this is the one I post.
No this is a vote to see if .world defederates us
Will this end up splitting the fediverse into islands, if the protection pact gets activated?
What about sending all the fediverse admins to a bar where they can talk it out while drinking beer.
the fediverse is already islands, thats the whole point with federation
no, there will still be instances people can join that cross federate. but the reality is LW is a cess pit of shit moderation by people who think advocating for a genocide is perfectly fine while suppressing the voice of people who advocate stopping a genocide, unfortunately they’re sitting on first mover advantage and got a lot of users from the initial migrations.
the fallout from this will be world getting isolated and better moderated communities cropping up to fill in the gaps.
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byyeeee glhf
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no smurfing, promise?
The typical level of reading comprehension of worlders in full display.
This reminds me of when Beehaw de-federated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and the lemmy.world users acted like Beehaw’s administrators were dictating for Beehaw’s users what they could venture out and see rather than what had happened: open signups had allowed a greater number of trolls into Beehaw’s space than they could reasonably deal with.
The longer the threadiverse experiment goes on the more it seems to me like Beehaw’s admin team knew the problem they were seeing the instant they saw it, and have been proven right in their approach to dealing with it. My Beehaw account used to be my main account (really should update my profiles at this point to reflect that this is my main one and the beehaw one is for when I’m too fuckin’ sick of how many assholes abound on the threadiverse). It’s a really good instance and I have a huge amount of respect for that admin team.
IDK… There seems to be an instance culture with .world that:
- The threadiverse is the entire fediverse
- The fediverse started in April of 2023 rather than in December 2012
- The fediverse is exactly like email and blocking domains should only be done based on spam (the irony of this one given the Beehaw situation…)
- Infinite growth is good, therefor being on the biggest instance is good
- Any disagreements with these axioms is a troll
The fediverse is exactly like email and blocking domains should only be done based on spam
I don’t think this one is true. They pre-emptively defederated hexbear early on and they defederated anarchist.nexus due to one mod not even interacting with them.
yeah i think the admins have a better understanding but it seems like the users have a different idea of what the fediverse is than i do. you’re right that my wording doesn’t quite capture concept i’m trying to capture though.
maybe it’s something more like “the only justifiable instance defederation is the one we engage in”
Seriously though, why we are clinging to continued federation is beyond me.
Randomly join an instance. Now just an ignorant ‘worlder’. But I wasn’t like those other ‘worlders’. I pledged myself to a greater cause. I crossed the deserts seeking those gilded forums talked about in stories. Even now, if you look out on a clear night, you can see my wandering star.
you can see my wandering star.
on .world. 😭
Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591
This is a non-voting post. Known users should leave comments with your thoughts on the subject.
Who could’ve thought that a bunch of nerds all running their own instances would have drama… 😂
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I blocked Lemmy.world and have not noticed much. I can’t see FuckCars or Cooking, but other than that, I just get more tech articles. No issues here without it.
As someone who is brand new to the whole Fediverse and Lemmy and all of that, I am rapidly trying to piece together what’s happened/happening here. If a kind soul would help me with some context that would be phenomenal. I know .world is like, THE biggest instance that hosts very large communities, but I am not sure what exactly is happening with the instance as a whole, or what we are wanting to happen to it.
I think it would be a good idea. We need to band together against LW.
I moved here from lemmy.world. It’s nice here!
Aye from YuruLemmy! We’ll gonna block l.w when they block you all!
I am gonna ask the admins of my instance if they make a post for this.
Btw has anyone an overview how big lemmy.world is in comparison to the anarchist instances and in comparison to instances like lemmy.ml?
Yeah, fuck them
I made a very similar post to this on the LW Announcement post, but this has since been slightly edited and fleshed out. But… for those unaware…
A user by the name of Luminous was an admin on Anarchist.nexus. They banned MrKaplan from a community for ‘posting zionist apologia.’ Luminous also had ‘Murder all Zionists’ as their display name. MrKaplan took this as a personal death threat. Instead of speaking with any other admin from Anarchist.nexus and reporting the behavior, MrKaplan instantly defederated from Anarchist.nexus. In the next couple of days, Kaplan messaged other users/admins of Lemmy about the defederation and suggested defederation to others as well.
After being posted in the Piefed general chat, PugJesus pushed back against the defederation.
The conversation moves elsewhere.
So, I messaged Kaplan. Conversation goes on and one thing is made clear, that Kaplan did not reach out to any of the Admins of Dbzer0 or Anarchist.nexus until after defederation had occured.
LWAdmins made an announcement post discussing the defederation but the post was not featured unlike all other recent posts made by the LWAdmin account, which felt underhanded. To make matters worse, Serinus (a moderator with admin level abilities), proceeded to step into the conversation and start removing offending posts for reasons listing anything from “We’ve heard your opinion” to “Misinformation” when screenshots proved otherwise. I say he has Admin level access because @Goferking0@ttrpg.network was banned from the Instance by an Automod I (and Jordan Lund) previously had access to. It sort of sidesteps the Modlog by not logging who actually did the removal, which I’m not a huge fan of, but this was also admitted by Serinus in a comment where he said he was the one who banned them. This being the same Serinus who said this of defederating with Anarchist.nexus:
Kaplan later doubled down in the LemmyWorld Discord Server, after the conversation I had with them in which they admitted having exactly zero evidence for this stance other than it “feeling odd”, by stating:
Ruud, the head admin of Lemmy.world, has had no feedback on this position. The only natural conclusion one can come to is that the LW Admin team (of which Serinus now seems to be a part of as he speaks for the admins in the admin community and has admin tools) are not just fully willing to act based off of knee-jerk reactions, but aren’t capable of communicating with other admins on issues that they may have with their instance. Or that they only will confer with you if your instance has enough users for them to consider a valid one.
Now, they have refederated with Anarchist.nexus since this situation but they haven’t backed down from the threat of defederation. This is much like every other major problematic issue that has been brought up in the past with Lemmy.world. Their admin team drags their feet for an absurd amount of time, despite rolling in reports about moderator abuse or whatever else, and then expects people to act with pre-cog abilities without them informing you of their problems with your instance. Also seem to be willing to police how good your reasoning is on how you feel about the situation to judge whether or not it’s appropriate to defederate.
To paraphrase what Kaplan said in one of those screenshots, it is not my intention to control who can or can’t be on admin teams on another instance but I do expect other instances to understand that an individual admin’s actions reflect their instance as a whole. Something Ruud seems to not care about and something that Kaplan belives does not apply to themself. Overall, the primary response by the LW Admin team has been to frame AN and Dbzer0 as either a small instance that “only has 165 users” or “only 71 monthly users” or a “vocal minority with an agenda”. For 20,000 users.
How long before its your instance on the chopping block for not telling them exactly what they want to hear? How many of your users will be silenced by Lemmy.world for a perceived sleight against them?
What Luminous did was idiotic and troll-esque. But what Kaplan is doing is considerably worse.
I don’t think I have to state where I stand on this.
So if I’m following this right… Let’s replace the term Zionist with Nazi.
Person 1 says “Nazis deserve to be murdered.” Person 2 spouts rhetoric that sounds very Nazi-like. Person 2 gets called a Nazi. Person 2 now goes on a campaign saying that they’re receiving death threats because of the transitive property and makes the nuclear move of defederating.
Is that what’s happening here with Kaplan?
Basically, yeah.
Wait, they actually did defederate from anarchist.nexus, temporarily?
I’ve not been following this very closely.
That tempts me to just block the instance outright, now, personally… I’ve already blocked most of their mods, and I’m 95% sure jordanlund has either been personally, or assigned a bot to downvote any comment or post I make on .world that he notices, in retaliation for me chewing him out as an objectively racsist shitlib hypocrite like a year ago now.
… if they move another inch, fuck em.
I am beyond sick of these hollier than thou, smarter than you, emotionally unstable neckbeard dorks.
EDIT: Hey look, that one, solitary downvote showed up here too! … how odd.
Correct. The most you could say, as Tenchiken did in the FAF Matrix, was that Kaplan defederated at the same time as they threatened Db0 (the user).
No attempt at outreach was made in order to rectify the situation prior to a defederation. It was taken as the first resort, not the last. Despite the admin being gone, refederation only occured, as the LWadmin account posted, because “there is no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while [dbzer0] is federated.”
This is the same admin team who dragged their feet for weeks on Jordan but instantly defederated from Anarchist.nexus, all users and all other admins be damned, and then threatened dbzer0 as a whole.
Fucking nuts.
Good on you for the writeups you’ve been doing on this… I don’t have the patience or spare sanity meter, so to speak, to deal with and catalogue this absolute horseshit.
It’s a nice distraction. My birthday is on Thursday and every year something usually goes catastrophically wrong. Just sort of waiting for it to lol this just gives me something else to focus on.
o7
Mine was last Tuesday. Here’s to getting older!
They banned MrKaplan from a community for posting zionist apologia.
Can you link to the post please? This is important. I’ve heard a lot of accusations that they were zionist, but I’m still searching for proof.
Sorry for being unclear. That was the reason that Luminous gave in the modlog. I have no idea/input on that personally, especially when Luminous isn’t an admin anymore.
then please make it clear that u have nothing to support this, and that u were just quoting luminous’ modlog message.
as it stands, it taints ur entire post with the (possibly false) assumption that mrkaplan posted zionist apologia.
I added quotation marks. That being said, I refuse to accept that a single off-color ban reason is enough to ‘taint’ an encylopedia of abuse by Kaplan.
thanks. i didnt mean to imply it tainted the content of the post. what i meant is that it starts the reader off in a particular emotional state, based on an assumption.
for what its worth, i do agree that kaplans behaviour was wrong, especially for an admin.
Yeah, this is a big thing for me, too. Sure, the admins at .world seem to be pretty egregiously losing perspective and power tripping, but if they’re defending a state doing a very public genocide right now, that’s beyond insane. I’m probably in favor of the proposal either way, considering the blatant disregard for other admins and dereliction of duty for something as simple a just fucking communicating. However, if this behavior is also accompanied by someone defending a genocide state, we have some cleanup to do on the fediverse that may require some kind of campaign, because fashy behavior from someone with that much influence over the biggest instance is absolutely unacceptable in our fediverse.
Thanks for this rundown, I appreciate it
Lmao of course rimu would be the first to support this, fuck these bootlicking fascists with their Zionist victim cards always at the ready
Really alarmed by the lack of professionalism in the leadership of some of these platforms. Rimu’s response to me being shadow banned due to a glitch in the login screen of piefed.social was “yea, that happens, you should probably find another instance.”. That’s how I ended up on anarchist.nexus. 😆
Anarchist nexus won’t mask it’s censorship behind false error codes.
Anarchist nexus won’t personally remove you from the database because you tilted an admin.
Anarchist nexus isn’t ran by Rimu, so it’s already better.
This should be pinned as well I think not a lot of people are in tune to the drama and I’m already seeing some misinfo flying around @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
It’s not possible to pin other people’s comments
As someone who has completely replaced Reddit with Lemmy cold turkey since the blackouts, LW is still absolutely massive and federating with them has made me feel much less detached from the ebb and flow of online culture even if it’s filtered through the self-selection bias of people who would actually sign up for Lemmy.
I think this entire fiasco is pissy, utterly unnecessary posturing by their admin. But my bar for whether someone is a full blooded apologist for crimes or just deeply socialized into accepting them is this litmus test: is this person genuinely in favor of me being murdered, or is this person simply German?
I am personally affected by the rapacious ideology that is Zionism. I cannot currently access my familial hometown, even though it’s north of the Litani, it’s unsafe. I am almost certainly in the Palantir repository of “fighting age” males. So I’m not just happy to ignore a distant problem. I don’t want to dox myself but I am a former emergency healthcare volunteer and had to be called in during that Wednesday two weeks ago to help with triaging all the injured. They were all civilians, many who who looked and talked like me, who spoke my exact dialect. I have personally lost four acquaintances in this war, all decent people, all civilians. Some of the beggar kids who I walk past on the street every day are also dead and I fucking cried looking at a cinder block where one of them used to sit. A building I lived next to as a student, three buildings down, in a safe fucking area in the middle of the city, got fucking erased. This is very real to me. I have witnessed a lot of human suffering on that Wednesday, about as much as during the entire hell pandemic + explosion summer.
My opinion is not more important because of my experience but I have had ample reason to examine who I’m willing to talk to and who I’m willing to avoid. Back on Reddit I would openly speak about this very sensitive subject in big threads, intentionally choosing more measured wording, and I would get a lot of positive responses from people who seemed to really not know the situation. Granted this was before the mask off phase of that place.
I think our instances, and Hexbear for that measure, are exemplary on this issue. Nobody is born deserving to be murdered. I also think wider, more conservalib users from the wider Lemmy ecosystem getting to see us unapologetically call crimes crimes, and genocide fans getting downvoted by everyone, including fellow users of their own instances, is very important. This is not an abstract political idea, this is a fucking excellent litmus test. Many of the cooler users eventually migrate to our instance, I think that’s awesome. I think being so willing to federate with mostly everyone above room temperature decency is important, let them see our politics, let them be mad that they have to confront horrible ideologies they have been born into. And if they voice support for this murderous ideology, or any other genocidal belief, in our communities, then our rules are clear. Let them feel confrontation.
That said there is one annoying Zionist user on our own instance constantly pissing in our nice community pool. This person has crossed the German line.
I don’t think we saw that with LW yet. I think nothing I’ve seen so far from their admins crosses the “Is this person evil or just fucking German?” line, specifically. The broader LW userbase is on the libby side but they are broadly well meaning and can learn and be valuable allies and friends. And the large volume of posts provides plenty of opportunity to have good conversations. I have a lot of goodwill for Hexbear, despite also not loving some of what is considered mainstream on there (although I understand it. Critical support is important. Ask ne how I fucking know. I still have a town for a reason.). But Hexbear is very insular. It’s the same 200 users most of the time. A lot of the discussion there is pretty good, and frankly CTH is probably the funniest community anywhere on Lemmy. Some of the most concise and accurate English-language writing on political currents in the Levant I’ve ever seen is on Hexbear. But I think our role as an instance is different. I like that we federate with both. I like that a lot actually. I don’t have one account for shitposts, one for memes, one for saluting the blahaj flag, and one for hanging out with the MLs. This is everything I liked about Reddit back in 2011 and better. As it stands, dbzer0 is the LW of the flotilla. Does that make sense? That might be unpleasant for some people, but I think that’s a strength. The gate is wide fucking open. Solidarity to me also means getting people on board. Genocidal ideologies hurt the people they’re sold to as well, they impoverish the world we share.
Until the LW admins do something much more stupid, I strongly vote Nay. If they do, I’m happy to respond accordingly. But I don’t think it’s hit that point, I hope it doesn’t. I think this is a good initiative but that it’s being deployed too preemptively. I hope this comment isn’t too all over the place, but I really have a lot of thoughts whenever defederation or Zionist Bar problems pop up.
I do think we should try mediating first if they block our sister instances, and only defederate if they become worse about this whole thing.
Sorry decent people of Germany. Not all Germans etc etc
Until the LW admins do something much more stupid, I strongly vote Nay. If they do, I’m happy to respond accordingly.
I think you misread the proposal. The proposal is to pledge to boycott (aka defederate from) Lemmy World if (and only if) they decide to defederate one or all of our instances. We aren’t planning to defederate from them pre-emptively.
It’s basically a call for unity amongst the middle and smaller sized instances, to ensure there are negative consequences for LW if they go through with it.
I thought every post here has a vote element to it, so my reading comprehension failed me there. My bad.
My point is that an immediate defederation feels extreme to me at this point in time. I like the idea of our instances doing things together to make (let’s say) a stupid defederation of one of them have more consequences, but in this specific case I wouldn’t prefer this specific decision. I’m saying I don’t think we should defederate from LW ourselves unless something much more egregious happens than has already happened.
Until the LW admins do something much more stupid, I strongly vote Nay. If they do, I’m happy to respond accordingly.
that’s literally an Aye, i think you misread/misinterpreted the proposal
This is a great take, and thank you for posting it.
I don’t have much else to add to this beyond I agree on all counts, and vote nay to defederating in all but the most extreme circumstances. User level controls for filtering/blocking exist for anyone that feels differently.
I think you misread the proposal. The proposal is to pledge to boycott (aka defederate from) Lemmy World if (and only if) they decide to defederate one or all of our instances. We aren’t planning to defederate from them pre-emptively.
It’s basically a call for unity amongst the middle and smaller sized instances, to ensure there are negative consequences for LW if they go through with it.
Yeah I get it. I still vote no, defederation should be a total last resort and if world is being shitty with any of these other instances they sure aren’t gonna care about the rest. But that’s just my opinion, I don’t run db0.
It’s not just your opinion, we are a collective. We all take part in running dbzer0.
actually, only those who pay the admins take a part, the others serve as a tie-breaker at best, unless i missed a memo*. this post in particular is only directed at instance admins tho.
EDIT: *users can also get vouched for by those eligible, and get voting rights that way
actually, only those who pay the admins take a part, the others serve as a tie-breaker at best, unless i missed a memo.
You missed the memo. It’s for verified and vouched members of the instance. One way you can get voting rights is to donate. Another way is to support the community and be active on the instance. Another way is to be vouched for by someone else who has voting rights. There are a number of ways, all listed in the link in the sidebar.
Find it odd that you’re gonna give me shit for not having quotation marks in a post and then (twice) in this thread misrepresent stuff.
i think i made it clear that it was only my understanding of the situation. “unless i missed a memo” is another way of saying “as far as i know”.
still, ive seen few members in a voting poll so far that have the “vouched for” flair in the bot response, so i doubt this changes things for the three ppl present here. still, thanks for the correction
also didnt mean to come off as giving u shit for it, i just felt it important, no ill will ur way from me
is this person genuinely in favor of me being murdered, or is this person simply German?
oh god my sides
deutschland verrecke
Good write up though thank you very valuable to read
best answer ever of this thread
Until the LW admins do something much more stupid, I strongly vote Nay. If they do, I’m happy to respond accordingly.
LW joined Cloudflare’s centralised walled-garden. Then they abused that bandwith to grow without restraint to be the biggest concentration of network-effect-exploitation in the fedi by orders of magnitude beyond multiple standard deviations above the avg size. Power mongers with absurdely disproportionate influence and control. This alone is cause to ditch LW. It’s like a Facebook within the fedi trying to masquerade as “decentralised”.
Just saying as a FAF user - full support here, and I hope other instance admins take note of this long history of behavior to be ready to support as well.
Lemy.lol has a new administration team. We stand with Dbzer0 against Lemmy.world’s flagrant abuses of power. Their admins have forgotten the purpose of defederation. To see it used as a cudgell against a single user they feel distasteful, not to mention not having any evidence to back up their claims, is a gross offense to the Fediverse as a whole.
That’s awesome news!
Excited about that but it’s curious to say that with https://lemy.lol/u/cm0002 as the other admin
Lol, I haven’t posted to a LW comm in a LONG time, even my .ml crossposting campaign I’ve been able to avoid posting to LW comms and find an alt to both LW and .ml
Yeah if I remember correctly it was around about the same time when I left Lemmy.world over the Jordan Lund situation and seeing glacial movement from admins over abuse of power reports. Funny. It’s important you do things without them being reported on for Lemmy.world but you have to report shit for months to get an admin to even consider looking at stepping in.
Yea, the whole we’re gonna dump and wash our hands of our admin responsibilities off to our mod team to handle was just unacceptable and unprofessional.
And now this new shit show just solidifies it
Thanks for all your hard work.
You should start a .world crossposting campaign as well.
Ive seriously thought about it, but LW looks far too busy for me to handle at its current activity level. At least in the current non-automated ways I do .ml
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To see it used as a cudgell against a single user they feel distasteful, not to mention not having any evidence to back up their claims, is a gross offense to the Fediverse as a whole.
- Bad faith user who is the main member of the instance and spun up accounts to harass users that we voted on collectively
- an admin removed a comment advocating for genocide, so the admin of the biggest instance defederated without asking or notice, and only walked back after hundreds of users called them out
Yep, exactly the same.
Yeah, that really doesn’t set a good look.
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