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Personally I’m in favor of a combined European offensive on Moscow.
After so much russophobic propaganda I get where this is coming from, but are you willing to go die out of sheer hatred of russia?
I’m just scared that people like you will drag us in an outright war, and I don’t wanna go die in our overlords’ bid for more resources.Russians themselves were willing (or were ordered instead of asked) to go die in WW2 against Nazi Germany. Was this a “sheer hatred of germans” that was due to “germanphobic propaganda”? Perhaps a bit, but there cleary was a worthy cause behind it all.
If it meant an end to the fascist regime of Russia, it’d be worth it. We all die anyway at some point, why not die for a good cause then.
First of all, Russia has already fired the first shot. They’ve been attacking not just Europe but the rest of the world for years in an information war. The situation in the US can undoubtedly be tracked back to them. To attack Russia wouldn’t be a war of aggression, it would be a retaliatory strike.
Secondly, there is no way that Russia has all the military might they’ve claimed to have. On a military level they are a paper tiger. Just look at the OP, they’re trying to enlist Ukrainian soldiers to fight for them. I remember reading a little time ago about how they were even considering training and fielding children to the front. It wouldn’t be an outright war, it would be a brief struggle. A local pro-Russia militia would probably pose a greater threat than the Russian army.
I am an American, sort of trapped right now within my country’s own borders because of the fascist scumbag I did my best to fight against. I am DEFINITELY willing to kill Russians because of what their country did to mine. Yes, dying comes with the job of being a soldier but as general Patton said, no one won a war dying for their country, instead make the other assholes die for theirs.
Well, here is the thing, I was in the military in Europe decades ago, conscript. Considering what we are seeing as far as effectiveness, training, etc of russian forces, I’d give my generation a 10 to 1advantage, at least, in kills. Multiply by all of Europe combined. Also, current troops in most of Europe are professional, so a 20:1 ratio is not far fetched. I like those odds.
EDIT: Also, let’s not forget that western hardware is whooping russian ass
Except it’s documented that Russia executes POWs.
They have more than 1
Russia has always been a scourge on humanity and always will be, until the West can find the resolve to destroy it.
Wow, there’s a lot of angry Russian trolls here
everyone who disagrees with me must be a paid russian troll
Найдите другие тезисы для подмены, товарищ
wow you learned how to use google translate! congratulations!
Just like Reddit.
thats accurate if you replace “russia” with “us”
You’d also have to replace *victory" with “getting your ass handed to you.”
Edgy
more like accurate
Arguing like a toddler
should i be arguing with you about basic facts? or should i be making a dissertation from your 1-word response so i can be an adult?
Reddit moment.
Careful there, that’ll put a strain on your faculties.
…always? It was “comparable to living as a British colonial subject” prior to decolonization. It’s certainly worse now but always is a weird one.
Where have I heard that before, mein Führer?
Both the USSR and Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939.
Иди поплачься об этом папочке Путину, шлюха.
Du mich auch.
Interesting parallel:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-soviet-pact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact?Secret_Protocol
Russians loved the nazis, and agreed to split Europe with them too!
But then again, they’d been genociding jews, Ukrainians and everyone else for centuries by then, I suppose they saw kindred spirits.
Russia contacted Britain and France to fight the Nazis. Britain and France refused to fight Hitler. Thus the Russians made a peace pact to have time to prepare for an attack.
A big thing people often like to leave out.
The peace treaty was for 10 years.
And they made that treaty so they could partition Poland and invade and brutalize Finland, no other reason.
The secret protocol was very clear.
Why are you ignoring the Russian invitation to fight Hitler?
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Always? As opposed to Europe and USA being saints, right?
Look where you are, this is the hub for libs who would have supported the war in iraq.
1/4th agreement is better than Reddit tbh
.ml is that way —->
.ml is that way —-> [rightward pointing arrow]
something something “stethoscope theory”
I am reminded of the meme with the left/right spectrum, and the weird curving line above marked “Whatever the fuck tankies are.”
whAtABoUt
Europe conquered Europe so totally it’s just called Europe.
dont forget africa
King Leopold II has entered the chat
Russia is in Europe
Scrolling past, I thought that was a hippo in a blue hood. Now I feel bad for laughing.
Same, came to the comments to see if others had done the same.
I only saw hippo until I saw your comment and scrolled back up.
Invade Russia, gather everyone in support of Putin and the Russian war in Ukraine. Nuke them all.
I just want russia to fuck back to its backward shithole, live in their own filth and violence and never come back. We won’t touch russia’s borders, we don’t want reparations, just fuck back off to russia and nobody will bother you ever again. That’s it. No nukes, no negotiations, no blackmail: never show up again and we won’t either. If you don’t want russians to see Ukrainians have a go at democracy, turn off your internet and turn russia into North Korea, Kim can give you some pointers on how to do that.
That’s a mighty good wish that will never come true because of its internal logic.
With their culture, if left alone, something will fester and they WILL come back.
I’d rather have Russia become an actual, real democracy that controls their police apparatus and army well. It’s the only way forward
Would be nice, but there is no path there right now. Every single bridge built to them was twisted and weaponized (some of it thanks to western anarchocapitalists)
PS: it took all major armies in the world to fix France and get rid of Bonapartism, it took all major armies in the world to fix Germany and get rid of nazism…but there are no resources to fix russia and putinism, especially if MAGAts and China want to use it to keep Europe in check.
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Who the fuck rated euronews “Left-Center” and “High” [credibility]? They’re obscure as fuck. Mostly a tracker/data broker with an AI generated “news” frontend spilling clickbait AI slop never quoting any reliable sources.
I don’t think that they’re obscure. If you asked me to name a major, non-state-run English-language mainland European news source, it’d be in the top three to come to my mind: Euronews, Euractiv, and EU Observer (with the last focusing on stuff in Brussels; maybe a better source for the !EuropeanFederalists@lemmy.world community).
They featured prominently on /r/Europe back when I followed it.
“Obscure” means nebulous, not clearly visible, of unclear origin. So, if you’re arguing their obscurity, who exactly are euronews? What are their sources, who are their correspondents, who’s financing them, what is their business address or business model? I’ve wondered about that quite for a while but there’s nothing to find except their data brokering service which seems good evidence that they are not what they claim to be: a news organization. So what exactly are they if not obscure?
Let me wikipedia that for you.
“left-center” is likely to be US brainrot, though, everything left of Nixon is far-left to them.
I didn’t even care about that as much as about their obscurity. But it seems people here are too damned stupid to understand what “obscure” means in case of a news outlet. Makes me wonder a lot less how people are falling for fake/manipulative news or “corporate communications”.
Just because you don’t know them doesn’t mean they’re obscure. They were even broadcasting over the air back when that was still relevant.
Do you know them? Who’s editor in chief? Can you answer any of the questions I’va asked above? Did you read it?
So, the breakdown of their ownership on the about page that links from the front page is not enough to answer some of your questions?
No, exactly that’s what I mean by “obscure”. An investment group is not a publisher nor a news agency, not even a media group.When it comes to publishingh that’s just obscure. It’s almost the definition of an obscure media outlet.
