• this dickbag went on to say that cringeshippers are the same as incels

    I said this cringeshipper behaves like an incel. And I continued by telling you that you do not understand what an incel is in the same way that I did not understand the harm in my words.

    and that the problem with “lolcow” is that it’s a mean word, not that it’s fucking bigoted with a violent history.

    Not what I said in the least.

    Also a lot of gaslighty “I’ll take the higher ground,” bullshit without even acknowledging how fucking fascist that is.

    I was preventing people from flaming you by contextualizing your feelings in a way that would allow them to exit the conversation. Which I do not regret, considering the horrendous trash I just read from you.

    Your deradicalization attempts seem actively antithetical to your goal, considering I’ve now seen you attempting to start flame wars with like 6 separate people who did not grow up in the state of privilege necessary to sustain your Abelardian moral complex.

    I acknowledged my shittyness and you responded with smugness and wandered off. I saw you tell some guy that he is the sum of all of his moral failures- that they have no hope of redemption because they were a cruel teenager. What the fuck is wrong with you? That’s some incredibly harsh, unabashedly destructive and dishonest conversation that most people would not tolerate, let alone improve from.

    You speak like a human being untouched by light and I say this with the utmost concern for you and the people you’re speaking to, you need to touch grass and talk to actual people before you can even consider deradicalizing anyone. My fucking word.

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      Dude would you shut the fuck up about privilege? I know for an absolute fact that not being privileged doesn’t make you any more likely to be cruel or any less able to fucking learn the actual morality behind your actions.

      I did not fucking say anything close to that. I’ve told people like you, fuckin men, that they actually have to work at addressing why they did something bad and actually change their values, not just fucking say that it was bad and they don’t do bad things now and think that’s the end of it. That so many of you have read this as “there’s no hope for change,” is exactly my fucking point, and it isn’t for you dickheads it’s for the dozens of other people I’ve seen come across this thread. You have any idea how much harm men like you cause? Shut the fuck up about having a hard life and how sorry you are just fucking do the values if you’ve addressed them so effectively.

      You didn’t today, and you don’t get to decide when other people should be fine with your behaviour, which is another reason you have to take accountability for it, not just guilt. I’m also correctly picking out these abuser flags, whether you like it or not. You said some bigoted shit and then followed that up by openly admitting that you don’t think incels are really all that bad, only just as bad as this weirdy this post is about; its a fucking genocidal cult that has successfully propagated a distinct form of scotastic terrorism and is responsible for hundreds of mass murders.

      Shut the absolute fuck up dude, you are a piece of shit, not for the shit from your past, but because of your refusal to address the way you understand things today. If you really got it, understood what you did wrong, you’d have made it clear above that you seriously devalued women and disabled people today, but you didn’t, did you? No, you just tried to act like you were a more level headed and moral person already. When that didn’t work and you didn’t like how I was telling other people about you, you send this shit like you’re doing something. Go look up what abusers do after gaslighting fails.

      I’m being serious when I say I see you dude, you’re not a complicated person, and I know that sucks because you really thought that made your actions more justifiable, didn’t it?

      Edit: a very fun read indeed: https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/lists/18-things-abusers-do-when-they-re-gaslighting

      • Dude would you shut the fuck up about privilege? I know for an absolute fact that not being privileged doesn’t make you any more likely to be cruel or any less able to fucking learn the actual morality behind your actions.

        You genuinely know and understand none of what I was communicating if this is your takeaway. You lack any degree of necessary context about the world to speak on the topics you pretend to understand.

        I did not fucking say anything close to that. I’ve told people like you, fuckin men, that they actually have to work at addressing why they did something bad and actually change their values, not just fucking say that it was bad and they don’t do bad things now and think that’s the end of it. That so many of you have read this as “there’s no hope for change,” is exactly my fucking point, and it isn’t for you dickheads it’s for the dozens of other people I’ve seen come across this thread. You have any idea how much harm men like you cause? Shut the fuck up about having a hard life and how sorry you are just fucking do the values if you’ve addressed them so effectively.

        Not a man, by the way. I never cared to correct your assumption because it wasn’t relevant and you seemed to be having fun saying it. Morality is based in, and relies on having role models capable of offering this information. You conflate improvement with perfection. You literally know nothing about social development and your ability to grasp that is nonexistent. Do. better.

        You didn’t today, and you don’t get to decide when other people should be fine with your behaviour, which is another reason you have to take accountability for it, not just guilt. I’m also correctly picking out these abuser flags, whether you like it or not. You said some bigoted shit and then followed that up by openly admitting that you don’t think incels are really all that bad, only just as bad as this weirdy this post is about; its a fucking genocidal cult that has successfully propagated a distinct form of scotastic terrorism and is responsible for hundreds of mass murders.

        I never said that what I did was okay, and I’m not interested in your acceptance, I’m interested in that of the disadvantaged people I work and live with. You make assumptions like an old republican watching an immigrant laboring in public. And once again, you don’t understand what an incel is. You’re describing someone who partakes of incel culture. There are no good people in incel culture. You can do nothing but conflate and misunderstand because your cursory understanding is worthless, which is why I tried to have you ask questions instead of shouting at me like an idiot about a topic you know too little about.

        Shut the absolute fuck up dude, you are a piece of shit, not for the shit from your past, but because of your refusal to address the way you understand things today. I’d you really got it, you’d have made it clear above that you seriously devalued women and disabled people today, but you didn’t, did you? No, you just tried to act like you were a more level headed and moral person already.

        I covered this already, but you conflate improvement with perfection. Which is something that you need to work on.

        Your adrenaline ran incredibly high and you physically cannot comprehend what I have been saying to you if half of this is your takeaway. Between that and the open, festering trauma wounds, there is tremendous work to be done because this early 20s speaking at people in a stress fueled stroke risk state isn’t serving you. Were I actually interested in harming you or anyone else, I would simply continue speaking to you to induce your premature death via brain bleed. You are actively killing yourself, you beautiful idiot. Don’t give me or anyone else that.