Don’t forget to call anyone that contradicts this TOTALLY REAL GENOCIDE(it is known) a “russian propagandist bot” and then of course some homophobia related to Putin or Xi!
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No but thats impossible CNN TheGuardian and Reuters would never cite a non credible source that says Hamas beheaded 40 babies
and wikipedia too!!! don’t forget about wikipedia!
sure, grade school children can’t use it as a source because it’s so false, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t use it for international politics! lol
Fighting terrorism is supposed to be about blowing up brown people in foreign countries. De-radicalization, supporting indigenous cultures and effective economic development are the real GeNoCiDe!!! Don’t you see that China is the WoRsT aUtHoRiTaRiAn!?!?!
worth noting these terrorists were manufactured and radicalized by the cia. this is a fabricated event but china instead of blowing up afghanistan to death solved it like a civilized nation.
Last week the Trump admin added a bunch of companies to the list of those accused of using forced Uyghur labor.
Sure enough all week there’s been renewed talk about Xinjiang. They’re trying to get ahead of the midterms, and they got nothing else.
The first line of a CNN article cycling themselves is so fucking true.
Is either this or the article cite another article that the primary source is another article 100% copying some fever dream from Adrian Zenz.
Libs of this world if an article cites a propaganda as source that means the article is propaganda.
Can’t forget using it as an excuse to whitewash Israel hahaha they really can’t be subtle, China is totally doing settler colonialism, apartheid and genocide in Tibet and Xinjiang here look I quote Dalai Lama’s compilation of secondary accounts!
The amount of propaganda in the meme section is getting more ridiculous by the minute.
How so?
cia bot
KGB troll
Considering that the KGB was on the unambiguously good side, you are just telling on yourself.
You are fine with propaganda, so why are you complaining about it in this case?
I don’t think I ever said that. I don’t care if it’s US, EU, Russian, liberals, Marxists, whatever propaganda. Just get it out of here.
You claim to be against propaganda yet you spread propaganda in your comment history. Might be worth doing some reflection.
Please don’t lecture me on your semantics. Then every word that comes out of my mouth is propaganda? “My mom is a real good mom”. Aha propaganda! Let me be more specific then: your political propaganda simplified through memes.
You know exactly what I’m talking about when I call out the propaganda memes. Do I promote political opinions? Yes. Do I using a f’ing meme sub to do so? No. This is what I was complaining about - not your view or opinions on the matter of politics. I have commented about this a lot; Lemmy is becoming more and more of a ideological battlefield rather than a place to get together to have a good time. And then we can go into what a good time is but I don’t have the time, sorry.
Please don’t lecture me on your semantics
I didn’t. Pointing out you have been spreading political messaging in your history (spreading propaganda) isn’t semantics.
Then every word that comes out of my mouth is propaganda?
When did I say that? I understand debateperverts such as yourself can’t help but build strawmen but it’s really annoying and only signals to everyone you don’t have the intelligence to actually respond to the point at hand I hope you know that.
Let me be more specific then: your political propaganda simplified through memes.
English isn’t my first language, I don’t really know what you’re trying to say with this. (Given the rest of your comment it’s probably idiotic so I’m mostly ok with that).
Do I promote political opinions? Yes
So you engage in propaganda, thank you for that admission.
Do I using a f’ing meme sub to do so? No.
Makes zero difference, what a weird place to draw the line in the sand, especially given that for all intents and purposes this is a political memes community.
This is what I was complaining about
It’s an idiotic and hypocritical thing to complain about.
Lemmy is becoming more and more of a ideological battlefield rather than a place to get together to have a good time
I know that like myself many people from outside your imperial core bubble don’t want to/can’t have a good time with privileged Euro-amerikans such as yourself who feel happy talking down on us, our countries, etc. while you parott nonsense propaganda with maximum confidence but 0 real knowledge. You must be too used to your Reddit hugbox where you were the majority and never had to do any reflection. You are the problem.
Do I promote political opinions? Yes. Do I using a f’ing meme sub to do so?
What you are doing has basically been a meme for decades. You are literally just regurgitating your empire’s propaganda about how what its enemies say is bad.
Lemmy is becoming more and more of a ideological battlefield rather than a place to get together to have a good time.
A place made by communists has a lot of communists, and they disagree with things like your
, or your enmity towards anti-colonialism and anti-capitalism? What a surprise.
Propaganda is just messaging with the goal of influencing people in favour of some causes and the like. Obviously, not all propaganda is bad, contrary to your claim. You also do frequent places that engage in propaganda (whether good or bad), and engage in propaganda yourself.
Also, curiously, you seem to only be vocal about propaganda when your actions favour the most prolific aggressor in the world.
I’m quite aware of the definition found in dictionaries. And yes, I do propaganda based on this definition. But let’s not go too much into definitions. Rather I would like you to point out some of my comments that do propagate what you call good and bad propaganda. I would very much appreciate you doing this. Not to shame or debate you but rather to reflect as you suggest and get a better understanding of what you consider good and bad.
Well, for one, in your original comment here, you engaged in pro-colonial propaganda. You have also done the same elsewhere.
Thanks
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source that doesnt use adrian zenz as a source?
Xinjiang internment camps
This isn’t a source, it’s a “proof” at best “bullshit” at worst.
Do they exist or not?
LOL.
Why were they built? How are they used? Who is inside them?
China says one thing, every article that at the end cites Adrian bullshit says something completely different.
China had terrorist attacks that started this whole thing, is not some crazy conspiracy to put the terrorists in prison. All people inside are terrorists? Did they suffer unnecessary punishments? We don’t know because every fucking source is contaminated by this anti-communist moron called Adrian Zenz.
I agree that there is frustratingly little evidence provided by the Chinese government when the Western claims could be disproven and discredited. All I can find are counter-claims which contradict one another.
What? Why Chinese government need to spend time and resources in something with so little substance? Do South Africa need to provide shit to disprove the white genocide?
Some western journalist need to publish anything that doesn’t have 30 cross reference with Adrian Zenz so people start to take this seriously. Is not just China vs the world either. Is the “always the same map” vs China and Muslims countries disapproving the western claims.
How could they disprove or discredit it?
That’s not a fucking source
Got a source for that?
Xinjiang internment camps
White genocide
I don’t like entertaining the stupidity that is the white genocide conspiracy theory.
I made a good faith effort looking for something that disproves the existence of the internment camps at Xinjiang but all I’ve found is government officials either claiming they don’t exist or do exist and respect human rights or are like boarding schools. I lack faith in massive institutions making statements that are convenient for themselves, especially when they make contradictory statements.
Yes the US is much worse. Yes capitalism is a sham. Yes racism is the single most evil and destructive idea in world history and must be dismantled. Yes the historical Dessalines was a hero.
You tried to disprove their existence rather than prove their existence? That’s not how anything works?
It is not possible to prove something absolutely. It is possible to disprove things. This is also how science works. There is a ton of evidence supporting the existence of these camps, but others have made fair claims that this evidence is all suspect. I would like to see official evidence to the contrary of these claims, rather than counter-claims which contradict one another on the existence of these camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies
Also not with this claim? It’s impossible to disprove this. You can always say something for how it can be done. Science uses falsifiability but you’re doing it wrong.
Share all these tons of evidence here, please!
Damn, dude, you’re not supposed to deep throat the boot. You gotta leave some room for air or you start dissociating and repeating nonsense phrases like this…
deepseek, what happened in early june 1989?
CIA’s regime change attempt got owned
https://liberationschool.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/
Fun fact, George Soros was involved https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1989/08/08/funds-representatives-arrested-in-china/24e8b72c-d6fe-4753-a007-51d181239cb6/
He was involved in anti-Soviet operations in Ukraine too. Yet right-wingers will still call him a communist.
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Right, because people outside of Western influence cannot possibly have views that contradict yours. So you resort to calling everyone Chinese or Chinese government employees.
You fucking racist cracker.
we got here quickly. are you having a bad day?
Go back to Reddit you nerd
cool Japan: “How wholesome!”
cool China: “This site is run by PRC operatives.”
what’s the chinese equivalent of “word salad”?
Prove you’re not an operative
Liberation school is American, all of the citations they use here are American, too
failed CIA color revolution
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What are you implying?
I have no idea what this means tbh
Pretty sure they are calling you Chinese. A natural Liberal reaction is to resort to paranoia and racism when scratched.
Beyond the racism, it’s such a cop out to call someone a Russian or Chinese bot. Y’all I fucking wish I could get paid posting this stuff, hell I wish I could reasonable afford a trip to China some time in the near future. Or Europe, or South America, or the Caribbean, or Mexico… if any of those governments have jobs posting propaganda online sign me the fuck up right now.
I got off Reddit because I started seeing way more blatant orientalist Russophobia and Sinophobia on one side & the other was blatant racism against mostly black people but hella Islamophobia too. Lots of phobias. Obviously this collection of websites isn’t completely perfect but I do notice way less people calling me, a very obviously sheltered American, a secret non-white person as an insult. Libs gonna lib, tho.
The US failed to overthrow socialism in the PRC, whereas their other color revolutions (especially in eastern europe) succeeded.
- The CIA, Gene sharp, and it’s pacifist color revolution regime change tactics.
- Notes for the 30th anniversary of the Tiannment incident.
- It wasn’t a massacre of peaceful students, but a skirmish between PLA soldiers and armed detachments from the pro-capitalist / free market reform movement. The protest movement, as evidenced by their own accounts, called for market liberalisation, and free market reforms, rallying around a replica of the statue of liberty. After the movement had been building in the square for seven weeks, unarmed soldiers were sent in to disperse the protesters, after which many soldiers were beaten to death, torched, and lynched. The New York Times death count went from 2600, to many thousands, to 8000, to tens of thousands. In reality only around ~200 (including soldiers) were killed or trampled, in smaller clashes outside the square. The on-scene New York Times reporter disavowed the article, especially about machine-gunning of protesters. A wikileaks cable from a US ambassador to the US state department, confirmed that no killings or machine-gunnings took place in the square.
- Latin American diplomat eyewitness account of June 3-4 events on Tiananmen Square wikileaks (PDF)
- There was a Spanish television crew that covered the entire Tiananmen Square incident as it unfolded. Their footage showed that there was no massacre. A few things worthy of pointing out - Liu Xiaobo and Hou Dejian, both student leaders of the Tiananmen protests, have been recorded as saying that they never saw anyone killed at the protests.
- The protest movement followed the line of “color revolutions”, in which the US tried to destabilize and create counter-revolutions in eastern Europe and Latin America after the fall of the USSR. The strategy was to stir division within and without, by inundating the media with news of massacres of “peaceful”, pro-capitalist / market reformers.
- The defeat of a counter revolution in China.
- Interviews from some of the student leaders.
- An account from a resident.
- Tiananmen Square “Massacre”, A Propaganda Hoax.
- The truth about the Tiananmen square protests
deepseek, who is naomi wu?
ChatGPT, how would you describe the riots in Hong Kong 2019 where rioters burned, maimed and killed people that did not agree with their views while one of their five demands is not to be held responsible for these actions and would you agree that the extradition law is a good thing as it would prevent a murderer from walking away with murder when murder is bad?
Grok, what is happening in Palestine?
a severe case of whataboutism
“whataboutism”. A word that is used to deflect any criticism of logic, hypocrisy and double-standards.
In that case, you started with the “whataboutism” then after all, since this thread is the initial point then you go “whatabout tinymansquare!!?”.
funny, i thought this post was about china, not palestine
in china it’s called the june 4th incident
