The US ended that with no plan on how Cuba would cope
fight for their land and stop leaving it as refugee’s?
more and more I’m against immigration as it’s seems to give the people an easy out, instead of fighting for land just leave and talk shit about it from afar
I can see where this thought can seem plausible, but you need to think it through. You will find it isn’t plausible and is unreasonable. Also, many will consider it crass and cruel.
…Do you think the Palestinians have the right to vote in Israel’s elections?
Like do you genuinely believe that they are permitted rights when the knesset calls them subhumans, rats, goyim and amalek then celebrate with champagne when a death penalty exclusively for palestinians is passed into law?
You end up with october 7th when a settler colony murders millions over the course of 70 years through poisoning of water sources, restriction of food, water, medical aid, forced sterilisation, restriction of movement, destruction of crops and homes, and the killing of every man woman and child that refuses to be evicted from their family land for the sake of israeli apartments.
…Do you think the Palestinians have the right to vote in Israel’s elections?
Yes, Palestinians who hold Israeli citizenship—often referred to as Palestinian citizens of Israel or Arab Israelis—have the same voting rights as any other Israeli citizen. This includes the right to vote in Knesset (parliamentary) elections starting at age 18. They have had this right since the first Israeli elections in 1949legalclarity.org+1.
Because before Cuban doctors didn’t have to rush to manually pump the respirators for intubated infants multiple times a week during blackouts due to the US blockade intensifying.
I’m literally American lol. But I was in China a couple months ago, so I understand why you wouldn’t want to listen to anyone with direct knowledge of the subject, we wouldn’t want to challenge pre-existing beliefs with evidence and observation.
If Russia can pay Americans to spout propaganda benefitting Russia, why can’t China do the same? I’m not saying you are, but “I’m literally American” isn’t a useful response by any means.
Except you could also be someone’s influence campaign. If you automatically give the assumption of “paid propagandist” more weight than the assumption of earnest belief, you may as well exit the Internet.
I’m specifically saying “I’m an American” isn’t a useful rebuttal about being a paid propagandist, nothing more or less. I didn’t say if it was my belief that he was.
Yes, optics, because if the US sinks ships carrying solar panels they lose even more respect on the international stage and bring even more attention to their illegal military blockade of Cuba in which they have directly killed over 200 civilians via bombing vessels in and around Cuba, and indirectly killed at least a few thousand by eliminating oil imports to the country.
China had nothing but risk before the carrier group was moved into place, as the US’ official stance was international sanctions and complete lockout from using USD internationally if you dared to trade with Cuba.
After the blockade those sanctions are meaningless as no other country would follow the US if they actually issue said sanctions, and the US itself isn’t economically capable of handling sanctions against China at this point in time. So China has no risk to help out.
If China saw it that way, they would be sending oil. They’re still trying not to rock the boat, the way I had it explained by a chinese cab driver is that if they continue to follow the rules and be reliable, more of the world will be willing to expand relations with China, protecting them from the US or anybody else acting unfairly. I did not call him naive to his face.
if they continue to follow the rules and be reliable, more of the world will be willing to expand relations with China, protecting them from the US or anybody else acting unfairly
I feel that this is true to an extent. If you are a government in Africa or a company in Singapore, will you prefer to do business with the guys who have a track record of keeping their word, or the guy who changes his mind every second day?
Besides, if China openly flouts the blockade, how sure are you that Trump won’t start WW3? Better to just deny any new weapons and wait for the old ones to rust.
The naive part was expecting China to be treated fairly by America or its vassals, any progress will be undone via propaganda. Look at this very thread, how many comments are seeing China fighting climate change, protecting Cuba’s sovereignty, and stopping a literal famine, and trying to explain why actually “China bad”.
Why do you think aiding an addiction would be helping out? Solar panels are blockade proof. Cuba’s biggest problems come from over reliance on disposable imports; if Cuba had access to solar Venezuela wouldn’t have been invaded and Cuba wouldn’t have any real negative effects from this blockade besides the loss of tourism income.
Besides China doesn’t sell oil, they do sell Solar panels and batteries. One generally gives what they have.
Brazil is around 8,514,877 km², Cuba is around 110,860 km².
Brazil has around 963,000 km² farm land. Cuba has around 36,000 km²[1] of farmland.
If it were to convert all of its farmland into ethanol production, resulting in the mass starvation of the Cuban population, it could not produce anything close to what Brazil could produce. But how much could it produce?
Cuba uses 178,000 barrels per day of oil, which comes out to 28,302,000 liters of oil per day, or around 10,337,305,500 liters per year. Which means Cuba only needs to convert… 13,560 km² of their farmland to ethanol production. So the famously fat and never food insecure Cubans need to just give up half[1] of their food production!
Great solution.
[1]
Cuba has 109,000 km² of land, and many sources give the available farmland of cuba at 30% of available land… but also list it at 65.000 km². Which wouldn’t be 30%. I’m assuming 30% is about right given the geography of Cuba. It’s possible 63% of Cuba is farmland, which makes this slightly easier, but looking at google maps that doesn’t seem right.
Keeping the power plants running so babies don’t die is not feeding an addiction wtf.
China has tankers with oil, this is an emergency, building solar is great long term, but it doesn’t matter to the patients on ventilators and the farmers who’s tractors have no fuel.
They will decrease the severity of the crisis, but as the article says, theres not enough, they take time to come online, and upgrading Cuba’s grid and storage will take even longer, and it still doesn’t help processes that need oil like farming and concrete production.
Maybe, but helping a people with similar politics who are suffering miserably is always a good thing for those people. The fact that they are so close to a mutual enemy is icing on the cake.
This is the culture that gave us “the Art of War”, after all. I’d expect no less of them, and normally I’d expect at least as much from us. Unfortunately we’re lead by the (possibly) worst representative of humanity possible right now.
Why not before? Optics…
Because before Cuba got tons of oil from Venezuela.
The US ended that with no plan on how Cuba would cope, just left them to fucking die. It’s gross.
Cuba had it’s entire infrastructure built around oil burning to produce power.
fight for their land and stop leaving it as refugee’s?
more and more I’m against immigration as it’s seems to give the people an easy out, instead of fighting for land just leave and talk shit about it from afar
I can see where this thought can seem plausible, but you need to think it through. You will find it isn’t plausible and is unreasonable. Also, many will consider it crass and cruel.
The people not the land matter. Survival is what we fight for.
I’ve seen enough of the willing die I could never imagine asking the scared and unwilling to if they have an option for escape.
A downvote isn’t powerful enough. I am so angry at you.
An Australian complaining about immigration fucking lol
🤣 well at least you wouldn’t be a refugee and can actually stand up for yourself
^ ^ ^ still lives in parents house
Or you’d be dead - by political action, disease,or starvation. Pick your poison. It isn’t all “refugees are wimps” or “refugees are leeches”.
Think of them as human, and things make more sense. ( Not accusing you of bad additude, just making the counterpoint)
Yes I am aware of this, if I was in Palestine I would have my head rolling down a hill because I called Mohamad a violent pedophile :)
But I wouldn’t necessarily be angry at the nutty Muslims, I’d be more angry and the ones who ran away instead of helping me fight
you fought for your land growing up huh?
no you didn’t, you just hate the other. dickbag
Sure has gone well for the Palestinians that refused to be evicted from their homes by an internationally supported military settler colony
same thing, palestinians leave gaza and thus it’s ruled by islamic state dictators, when people do stand up they get tortured
if all the people willing to fight for it leave the only people who remain support the nutters in power and that’s how you end up with oct 7th
…Do you think the Palestinians have the right to vote in Israel’s elections?
Like do you genuinely believe that they are permitted rights when the knesset calls them subhumans, rats, goyim and amalek then celebrate with champagne when a death penalty exclusively for palestinians is passed into law?
You end up with october 7th when a settler colony murders millions over the course of 70 years through poisoning of water sources, restriction of food, water, medical aid, forced sterilisation, restriction of movement, destruction of crops and homes, and the killing of every man woman and child that refuses to be evicted from their family land for the sake of israeli apartments.
Yes, Palestinians who hold Israeli citizenship—often referred to as Palestinian citizens of Israel or Arab Israelis—have the same voting rights as any other Israeli citizen. This includes the right to vote in Knesset (parliamentary) elections starting at age 18. They have had this right since the first Israeli elections in 1949legalclarity.org+1.
And how many of them have voted for their homes to be bombed or for the wholesale slaughter of their families to continue?
Their homes are in Israel not Gaza
This is like shitty geopolitics
Oh, I see now. You’re a troll, not serious. I should have read through before responding in other places. At least I didn’t take the rage bait.
Because before Cuban doctors didn’t have to rush to manually pump the respirators for intubated infants multiple times a week during blackouts due to the US blockade intensifying.
Your user tag is “Wumao” so I’m gonna trust my gut.
I’m literally American lol. But I was in China a couple months ago, so I understand why you wouldn’t want to listen to anyone with direct knowledge of the subject, we wouldn’t want to challenge pre-existing beliefs with evidence and observation.
If Russia can pay Americans to spout propaganda benefitting Russia, why can’t China do the same? I’m not saying you are, but “I’m literally American” isn’t a useful response by any means.
Except you could also be someone’s influence campaign. If you automatically give the assumption of “paid propagandist” more weight than the assumption of earnest belief, you may as well exit the Internet.
I’m specifically saying “I’m an American” isn’t a useful rebuttal about being a paid propagandist, nothing more or less. I didn’t say if it was my belief that he was.
Yes, optics, because if the US sinks ships carrying solar panels they lose even more respect on the international stage and bring even more attention to their illegal military blockade of Cuba in which they have directly killed over 200 civilians via bombing vessels in and around Cuba, and indirectly killed at least a few thousand by eliminating oil imports to the country.
China had nothing but risk before the carrier group was moved into place, as the US’ official stance was international sanctions and complete lockout from using USD internationally if you dared to trade with Cuba.
After the blockade those sanctions are meaningless as no other country would follow the US if they actually issue said sanctions, and the US itself isn’t economically capable of handling sanctions against China at this point in time. So China has no risk to help out.
If China saw it that way, they would be sending oil. They’re still trying not to rock the boat, the way I had it explained by a chinese cab driver is that if they continue to follow the rules and be reliable, more of the world will be willing to expand relations with China, protecting them from the US or anybody else acting unfairly. I did not call him naive to his face.
I feel that this is true to an extent. If you are a government in Africa or a company in Singapore, will you prefer to do business with the guys who have a track record of keeping their word, or the guy who changes his mind every second day?
Besides, if China openly flouts the blockade, how sure are you that Trump won’t start WW3? Better to just deny any new weapons and wait for the old ones to rust.
Short term solution from a country without oil.
How dare China behave like the USA.
The naive part was expecting China to be treated fairly by America or its vassals, any progress will be undone via propaganda. Look at this very thread, how many comments are seeing China fighting climate change, protecting Cuba’s sovereignty, and stopping a literal famine, and trying to explain why actually “China bad”.
Why do you think aiding an addiction would be helping out? Solar panels are blockade proof. Cuba’s biggest problems come from over reliance on disposable imports; if Cuba had access to solar Venezuela wouldn’t have been invaded and Cuba wouldn’t have any real negative effects from this blockade besides the loss of tourism income.
Besides China doesn’t sell oil, they do sell Solar panels and batteries. One generally gives what they have.
Cuba has a huge capacity to make ethanol. Brazil does this.
Brazil is around 8,514,877 km², Cuba is around 110,860 km².
Brazil has around 963,000 km² farm land. Cuba has around 36,000 km²[1] of farmland.
If it were to convert all of its farmland into ethanol production, resulting in the mass starvation of the Cuban population, it could not produce anything close to what Brazil could produce. But how much could it produce?
We’ll be assuming Brazil’s sugarcane method is the most efficient crop for Cuba given their similar climates and growing zones. Which gives us around 764,000 liters of ethanol per km²
Cuba uses 178,000 barrels per day of oil, which comes out to 28,302,000 liters of oil per day, or around 10,337,305,500 liters per year. Which means Cuba only needs to convert… 13,560 km² of their farmland to ethanol production. So the famously fat and never food insecure Cubans need to just give up half[1] of their food production!
Great solution.
[1]
Cuba has 109,000 km² of land, and many sources give the available farmland of cuba at 30% of available land… but also list it at 65.000 km². Which wouldn’t be 30%. I’m assuming 30% is about right given the geography of Cuba. It’s possible 63% of Cuba is farmland, which makes this slightly easier, but looking at google maps that doesn’t seem right.
Keeping the power plants running so babies don’t die is not feeding an addiction wtf.
China has tankers with oil, this is an emergency, building solar is great long term, but it doesn’t matter to the patients on ventilators and the farmers who’s tractors have no fuel.
What… what do you think the solar panels are going to do?
They will decrease the severity of the crisis, but as the article says, theres not enough, they take time to come online, and upgrading Cuba’s grid and storage will take even longer, and it still doesn’t help processes that need oil like farming and concrete production.
Cuba needs oil now.
If they can reduce oil use in power generation, it should help by reducing the overall amounts of oil they need to procure
The argument here isn’t that solar won’t help in the future, it’s that people are literally dying because they don’t have oil right now.
Take far longer to set up that it would to simply make use of the existing infrastructure.
The US still has an oil embargo in place.
US has been embargoing Cuba since the 60s.
Nice alt account
Girl my account is older than yours
I think she thinks we’re the same person.
wait is it solipsism
saturdaysunday again?fuck it’s not my turn to exist. whosever it is, could you imagine me having a pony named Buckshit that likes apples?
Maybe, but helping a people with similar politics who are suffering miserably is always a good thing for those people. The fact that they are so close to a mutual enemy is icing on the cake.
This is the culture that gave us “the Art of War”, after all. I’d expect no less of them, and normally I’d expect at least as much from us. Unfortunately we’re lead by the (possibly) worst representative of humanity possible right now.
They dont have similar politics, lmfao.
No, they are not both communist nations with a similar dislike of America and authoritarian governments. One loves America and hates Communism. /s
I see no communism in China. Cuba, maybe.
Sigh.
Literally every good thing countries do that they don’t have to is either completely or partially optics.
Yes, which we call soft power. It’s generally very beneficial, which is exactly why US gutted USAID because they literally can’t do anything right.
Few million in infrastructure aid pays out huge with soft power.
politics is the business of optics, so while you’re not wrong it doesn’t feel like a useful comparison.