Nattō is associated with both health/wellness food culture, which as we all know has fascistic roots and is associated with ideas of purity and national strength.

Further reenforcing this is that Nattō is considered a food only Japanese people like, a pillar (albiet a minor one) of ethnonational identity. Consider: 30% of people who eat it do not enjoy it but instead eat it based on aformentioned health reasons[1]. Offering nattō to people in order to see their repulsed reactions is an act of humiliation, reenforcing the superiority of the Japanese character and identifying an out-group.

Anyway it’s ok, a little mild. More stale coffee than cheese, I keep craving it though and am now fermenting my own


  1. https://web.archive.org/web/20121121050051/http://www.research.nttnavi.co.jp/304z/903natto01.html ↩︎

  • sangeteria@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    3 days ago

    I don’t think it’s fascist bc it looks too yummy to be marketed as a wellness product. I’ve never eaten it, but it looks like cheesy beans, and damn cheesy beans sounds like decadence. Yes I like farting too how could you tell

    I think protein marketing is fascist, and I say this as an intermittent gym-goer

    • insurgentrat [she/her, it/its]@hexbear.netOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      3 days ago

      I regret to inform you that it does not taste like cheesy beans. The experience is more like: what if you mixed spider webs in with your compost, poured usa style coffee over it, then mixed it with beans

  • blindbunny@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    3 days ago

    I had some in Japan that made my exe wife gag. I thought it was excellent. Bought some locally and it wasn’t the same. The stuff I had in Japan must have had some spice or something but the stuff I had state side just isnt thr same.

  • gramxi [they/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    3 days ago

    the first time I smelled natto as a little kid, I pleaded with my mom to throw it away because I was afraid it would make her sick

  • Kefla [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    4 days ago

    I’m not a big fermented food fan. Usually what I taste in fermented food more than anything else is farts. Like if farts could be condensed into solid form they would taste like kimchi.

    I haven’t tried natto though so maybe it’s less farty

  • Bloobish [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    4 days ago

    Honestly I really like it over rice with green onions and mustard with some soy sauce, for me it’s got a nice coffee like nuttiness with a hint of umami and has a good amount of protein as a vegan option. As for the superfood roots I feel we have different core groups. There’s the granola fash that seem to now be migrating from weird fringe food or entirely red meat diets to peptide inject-able delusions. Still there is still very much an undercurrent of “if you eat just right it’ll cure all you’re problems” woo woo isms remaining in the food social media influencers that also definitely overlaps with the cottage core “reclaim the land” traditionalist reactionaries. Also there’s the fetishism of Asian food culture that is not to be ignored (even though ngl the vegetarian food that Japan has is mid compared to China’s long traditions of vegetarian and veganism).

    • insurgentrat [she/her, it/its]@hexbear.netOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      4 days ago

      I find rice dilutes what little flavour there is but am otherwise with you. It’s certainly convenient, there aren’t many protein-rich cold vegan breakfast foods ready in 2 minutes. I think hot English mustard goes fine, or German, or making fresh Chinese mustard. It also goes ok with kimchi. Since it’s what I think of as a really low flavour, it benefits from some harsh highlights or bright forward flavours.

      There’s the granola fash that seem to now be migrating from weird fringe food or entirely red meat diets to peptide inject-able delusions

      poetry. The research peptide shit is wild huh, like you don’t even know it is what it’s supposed to be because 0 regulation and even if it was the research is nonexistant on safety, let alone efficacy.

      even though ngl the vegetarian food that Japan has is mid compared to China’s long traditions of vegetarian and veganism

      Based and middlekingdom pilled. Chinese Buddhist food knocks most vegetarian/vegan (often Buddhist vegetarian is vegan but not always) from nearby out of the park as it is notably less ascetic. The varieties of tofu alone are amazing.

      • Bloobish [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 days ago

        For me just learning about the ways different Chinese cuisines use sauces (so many sauces!) and fry/cook/broil veggies in it totally changed how I relate to food compared to “boil bland ass veggies and consume and if you don’t like it add butter and salt” that seems to be the middle American go to forever.

        The research peptide shit is wild huh, like you don’t even know it is what it’s supposed to be because 0 regulation and even if it was the research is nonexistant on safety, let alone efficacy.

        It’s so fucking wild, like I work healthcare and I’ve gotten cases of people especially elderly parents being given GLP meds by their fuckin’ kids or friends without a prescription. This isn’t even bringing up the peeps just doping themselves with what amounts to be bathtub growth hormones like BPC-157 that seems to be a compounding factor in cancer cell growth when used unregulated. More and more I wonder if instead of cybernetic freak shows we’ll just live to see horrible biological modding with the risk of becoming a walking tumor.

        • insurgentrat [she/her, it/its]@hexbear.netOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 days ago

          For me just learning about the ways different Chinese cuisines use sauces (so many sauces!) and fry/cook/broil veggies in it totally changed how I relate to food compared to “boil bland ass veggies and consume and if you don’t like it add butter and salt” that seems to be the middle American go to forever.

          Hell yeah, I’ve been vegetarian and then vegan most of my life but I’m always learning new stuff. I got this book: https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-vegan-chinese-kitchen-9780593139707 and have found it really useful for learning lots of fast ways to prepare tasty greens. Prior to learning more chinese food I tended to go more 1 pot type meals but this whole style of blanch or rapid fry some veg with an often quite simple sauce is a really great way to get more of whatever is growing/in season in your diet. Especially with foraging weeds (dandelions and milk thistle are easy to ID and quite tasty, beware anywhere where poison might be sprayed or road runoff heavily present) I can often pick some greens on my way back from the grocer and whip up something pretty decent with a little ginger, garlic, and vinegar to accompany whatever.

          It’s so fucking wild, like I work healthcare and I’ve gotten cases of people especially elderly parents being given GLP meds by their fuckin’ kids or friends without a prescription. This isn’t even bringing up the peeps just doping themselves with what amounts to be bathtub growth hormones like BPC-157 that seems to be a compounding factor in cancer cell growth when used unregulated. More and more I wonder if instead of cybernetic freak shows we’ll just live to see horrible biological modding with the risk of becoming a walking tumor.

          I have always been pro people experimenting with their bodies in an informed way, and when I was younger played around with psychedelics and “nootropics” with well established safety records (actually interestingly when I tried piracetam (no noted cognitive metric changes) I did get the ability to visualise pictures for the first time in my life, and learned people weren’t being metaphorical when they said they could). The thing is this shit is replicating the worst of people messing around with RCs or impossible to assess “stacks” but it’s so much more mainstream and so much more likely to mess you up in difficult to detect or sudden ways. I mean most are injected, and for suuuuuure I do not trust that the preparations are safe and users have good practice.

          Loss of expert trust has been devo, I reckon a lot of this peptide shit comes via the research the cosmetic industry is pumping, and labs selling off their excess production capabilities on the grey/black market. If any industry is going to convince people to turn themselves into piles of cancer it’s that last bastion of pure snake oil.

          • Bloobish [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            2 days ago

            My fav easy go to meal is rice cooker meals you can just dump and cook for the day, especially if you do it before heading out to work and so have lunch and dinner ready to go. Nettles are another great readily available green that you can actually grow a ton of easily in a sizeable pot on a balcony (makes a great soup addition after it’s been boiled then blanched properly).

            Yeah same stance when it comes to a variety of various psychedelics and supplements, but I fear this is more of an overall regression in societal use of accepted medical pathways and instead into full on internet scam bait. A big factor is how bad the anti covid screed led to overall decline in trusting medical officials, and now our own HHS and CDC are led by nepos and fools. It’s why you have people praying they found the wellspring of eternity and will willfully give medications or supplements to their loved ones that no sane practitioner would ever prescribed or advise to take.

  • All Ice In Chains@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    4 days ago

    I tried it. Smelled and tasted like shit. I wanted to like it, wanted to push past it, but just couldn’t. Thought it’d be a healthy and quirky and tasty add to my food rotation. I’d rather just have some yummy tofu or really any other forms of beans.

  • Ishmael [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    4 days ago

    I am not Japanese but I love natto. Gimme that and okayu with some miso soup for breakfast every day and I’m happy as a clam