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You can either try to get us meat eaters to eat less meat and encourage us to try more vegan options, which would benefit the environment. (Sharing recipes good recipes) Or you can continue the us vs them rhetoric. You won’t be able to instantly convert someone eating mest into becoming a 100% vegan overnight by “shaming” them.
I realize this is the vegan instance, so you’re not trying to convert anyone, but alas I got it in my feed.
“Only a sith deals in absolutes” or something, idk I’m not a Jedi
This is not even shaming meat eaters. It’s shaming hypocrites. It’s actually implying the normal meat eater is at least honest.
Uh huh.
The fur industry has almost collapsed in the last few decades thanks to public distaste for wearing fur.
Vegans didn’t get there by gently encouraging people to wear less fur.
They got there by raising awareness of the inhumane conditions in fur farms, and by shaming the fuck out of celebrities wearing fur.
Shame works.
Shame teaches.
Because people - people like those on this very thread, who know eating meat is immoral and do it anyway - people who don’t have the willpower to overcome their addiction to meat, and let’s not fucking kid ourselves, if you know something is the wrong thing to do, if you know it’s morally wrong, harmful to your health, and harmful to the environment, but you can’t stop yourself from doing it anyway, that is a fucking addiction…
Those people need the negative reinforcement of social shame, as well as the positive reinforcement of doing the right thing. Shame is an immediate social consequence of doing the wrong thing. You may not hear the animals screaming in factory farms, you may not see the forests that burn to grow the monocrop soy they eat, you may not be able to smell or touch or taste the CO2 that’s killing the world, but when you order a burger and the server’s face twists in disgust, that’s an immediate social consequence that will hopefully discourage you from doing it again.
If you eat meat, you are doing a shameful thing. You should be ashamed. You deserve to feel shame. And I hope for all our sakes that shame teaches you a lesson.
Is being shamed the rake to the face here? I’m not otherwise understanding the negative effect an oblivious meat-eater encounters tbh
I understood the rake to the face as the self-own each carnist comes around to eventually “I kill others for my pleasure”
To me this didn’t feel like shaming, but I guess it’s easy to forget not everyone here is currently vegan.
I don’t see this as shaming so much as calling out a shared experience every vegan has had (it’s a vegan community after all).
Kind of like the “the only ethical abortion is my abortion” crowd, any discussion of the benefits of eating less meat gets flooded with the “but the beef I buy is super unique and ethical”, which is never true on so many levels.
The answer is always eat less meat, but people come up with so many excuses not to that it becomes memeable in the community.
If this is shaming anybody it’s not the folks trying to eat less meat, but the ones coming up with every excuse possible to not change.
I have been eating a lot less meat than I used to and far less than all meat eating people I know, and I find it a bit shaming. It seems pretty dismissive of people who are trying, potentially misguidedly maybe, but trying to do something better and it’s getting disregarded as no different than any other choice. The implication is that unless you’re vegan, any concern you have is irrelevant because you’re super selfish and like the taste of flesh. But in reality it’s an unproductive thought process and it’s insanely reductive.
I’m glad you’re reducing, man.
The comic addresses people that are making flimsy excuses about not wanting to reduce their meat consumption despite their environmentalist ideals. From your comment, you don’t sound like that describes you. Why do you feel shamed? It’s not directed at you.
I didn’t say I feel shamed. I am saying it seems intended to shame, the target being a group of people you just named. Shame isn’t the best motivator, particularly when it’s dismissive of people who have considered facts and tried making some improvement. I personally don’t care enough about where my meat comes from so if I did what these people getting shamed were doing, it would be an improvement just like if they reduced their intake like I have, it would be an improvement for them. My improvement probably matters more than theirs but I’m not trying to shit on theirs.
Yes, it’s intended to shame hypocrites
Invaluable input
If someone is really invested with the environment and climate, they should at the least have some awareness of the consequences of meat consumption. In that case, why do others have to keep holding their hand? The world wide web is full of delicious vegan/vegetarian recipes. Why does individual responsibility/initiative stop when one is convinced that reducing a luxury good is the best option?
And there are so many options to improve. Flexitarian, pescaterian, vegetarian, plant-based or vegan. I believe it helps to not let perfect be the enemy of good. It might also depend a bit on what convictions you want to change. If climate and/or health, it might give a bit more leniency; if animal wellfare it is likely to be a strict regime.
(keep in mind, the above is about those who say to care for the environement/climate)
Please try harder to convince us to bot be horrible and not destroy the planrt we live on. Kind of pathetic but okay.
Lmaooo at the carnists telling us to convince them when they can’t even convince themselves
I agree with your sentiment, but I feel this post is about those so called “enviromentalist” unwilling to admit their mistakes.
I eat meat, and I am happy to be made fun of because of it. It is not an ethical behavior so I am trying do as little of it as possible, within my mental and physical constraints. Also plenty of actions in our life is not ethical, we are human, not saints; and it is up to us to decide what is acceptable for our own morals.
I am not pointing finger at anyone, but I feel it is indeed unhealthy for both side to be so tense all the time. Yet most of these blame are carried by vegan, because with how prevalent meat eating is (at least in the U.S.), vegans stands out. Maybe us meat eaters can also do better in that regard by allowing vegans to make a “food without murder joke” once in a while. I am sure most vegan will not think you are an utterly horrible person just because you have eatten a big mac for dinner.
Out of curiosity, given that you aren’t vegan, why do you think you know the best way to convert people?
This is the same with any advocacy groups, the loudest abrasive voice burns distain in the brains of the receiver. As a vegan, some vegans are the worst to have out there talking to people.
As someone who is currently learning more vegan dishes specifically so I can reduce my animal product intake- yeah 100%. Its honestly really frustrating. That being said, venting is messy since its important for people to be able to express their frustration with people not getting why their passion subject is important, but its not good to practice bitterness for everyone who doesnt already get it. Most vegans didn’t show up in the world that way, and everyone starts in a different place
Open source and free license shit is the same way. The solution to wanting the world to be kinder and better to people is usually not to be worse to the people standing in front of you
Personally I find sharing your excitement about something with no expectation others be interested more productive. And if folks are open to it, you can cook them your favorite vegan dish you’ve been working on. Or help them set up a fedi account, even if they still have twitter. Or show them your sweet linux setup you’re proud of.
I think it helps to let people share in your passion. It works a lot better than shame :)
Well said. And I agree on the open source community too.
I have been positing my dinners on the vegan home cooks group. Maybe it catches the eye of somebody who wants to reduce meat consumption and shows alternative dishes that look appetizing.
I’m subbed to that comm specifically for inspiration ☺️ I’ll have to keep an eye out for your username in particular- feeling like this is a place with actual folks I see regularly and can say hello to makes me happy :)
Out of curiosity, do you have any “incidentally vegan” faves? Like dishes that are already vegan, or that are super close with minimal modification?
So far my two dishes I’m really happy with are chickpea curry (just made it with coconut milk for the first time so its totally vegan now ☺️) and mujadara (I’ve been making it with a Greek yogurt sauce as topping, but I wanna try making a tahini sauce at some point. Its just more expensive 😅)
Or honestly I’d also welcome any easy but tasty dishes, I find a lot of recipe websites wanna suggest super elaborate stuff but I kinda struggle to keep up with eating and making food, so simple staple dishes really help, and those would also probably have the biggest impact in displacing meals I’d otherwise eat that have animal products
Chilli is always an easy one, and most stores sell a dried ground up TVP to toss in instead of Ground Beef.
My typical go to is an Indian style lentil soup with a variety of lentil types and mixed be. I find it simple because I set it on simmer for half hour or so, and fry up the veg to toss in for the final simmer. ( Daal Fry )
I work from home so getting dinner started , or oven going is easy to monitor; so I’m not the best person to ask for simple meals.
If you go to my account and click posts, you’ll see 90% of them are vegan dinner dishes.
Thats for the reccomendations! ☺️
I really wanna try tvp at some point but haven’t seen it around at the places I shop, I’ll have to search for where I can get some
Lentil soup has been high up on my list of things to try. Daal too, I’m curious what its like. I only tried lentils in like the last year but I really like the green ones I’ve had so far- I’m hoping to get some brown lentils for the mujadara some time cause I think I’d like them better for that dish than the green
Thank you for taking the time to type out your thoughts ☺️ hope you have a lovely day!
Most veggie/vegan natural stores sell it. Just a dried protein. A slight generic flavour to it like cereal. It absorbs flavour from your sauces or marinades. Here it is about $8-$12 for a bag that will last quite a few meals. But we found an Indian grocery story that sells it as Soya Wadi and its only about $3 per bag. Same stuff. Either in big chunks or ground up into ground beef size bits.
Goes well into tacos, chilli, shephards pie, etc.
Daal mostly depends on what you cook with it, besides the lentil themselves, like a tomato based sauce, yogurt, lemon, etc. The black lentils stay the firmest and have texture after cooking, the red lentils will cook down to a paste…and there are a ton of other types.
Can somebody please rename this sub to vegan circlejerk? Then open another which is called “primarily plant based nutrition”. So every needy vegan can go sort themselves and we can block them while the sensible people that just want to be healthy and help the environment can keep to themselves. Thanks :*
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