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    The drugs that made you go spiritually nuts. How would any sane mind come up with all those fantasy stories and BELIEVE them to be true? We call those delusions.

    But anyhow, seems like you’re already too deep into it to just take a step backwards and look at the box you’ve made yourself to sit in.

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        Insane is nothing inherently bad though. But ignoring reality and choosing fantasy sure can’t be healthy. At least not in the long run.

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          Well that depends on the kind of fantasy. A lot of people choose a fantasy that’s only good for them. But I choose a fantasy engineered for justice and fairness. I perceive everyone how they want to be perceived. Trans people, otherkin, plural people. I know a guy named Sonic who died in a war on his home planet and reincarnated in someone else’s body on Earth. Now he lives in that being’s head. I’m not gonna judge Sonic, because that would be mean. I genuinely believe he’s a hedgehog, because he identifies as a hedgehog. I don’t even like Sonic the hedgehog as a franchise that much. I think the games kinda suck because a high score is more about memorisation than reflexes. But seeing Sonic how he wants to be seen is fair and just, so I choose to perceive him that way. A realist wouldn’t likely be capable of that kindness. That’s why realism is oppressive.

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            I feel like you’re just trolling, but fine. Realism is seeing everything as it is, not as one wants it to be. So that makes you kinda contradict yourself. Realism can’t be oppressive. A fantasy is oppresive to reality as it draws sharp borders. Sonic is a fantasy, but that fantasy is real. In this context, in this box it is made to reside in.

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              No, realism is the belief that there exists an objective truth to the nature of the universe, independent of our perceptions. I’m an antirealist; I oppose the belief in objective truth. The belief in objective truth has motivated various evils such as race realism (the belief that race is objective), capitalist realism (the belief that capitalism is objective), gender essentialism (the belief that gender is objective), and religious realism (the belief that one’s particular religion is objective). I oppose all of these. I think we should abolish the idea of an objective universe, because no one universe is big enough in concept to fit everyone’s identities.

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                the one objective universe is already big enough to fill everyone’s identities AND everything else. That’s why we call it the universe :-)

                If there’d be no objective truth we can ALL see, experience and share, you’d not be sitting at a computer now and chat with me. The existence of a reality outside your wishes doesn’t mean there’s a correlation between racism (and all the other evils you mentioned and more) and reality. Also it’s no matter of “belief”. It just is. It is beyond my judgement and beyond my control. Yet i’m neither a racist, nor an ablist or whichever -ism you want. And i also despise religion and capitalism. Why should any of those things be objective or subjective? we define them, as a society, and be done with it. We all know what capitalism is.

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                  Donald Hoffman performed thousands of experiments examining the evolutionary roots of perception. He created a simulated world and populated it with organisms that accurately perceive the world, and organisms that only perceive fitness payoffs.

                  Fitness always beats truth. Organisms that perceive objective reality always go extinct. That includes our distant primordial ancestors. Perceiving objective reality is a waste of resources, it’s inefficient. That’s why we don’t. Like Hoffman’s fitness perceiving organisms, we perceive fitness payoffs, not objective reality. Things like objects, spacetime, colour, see just artefacts of our simplified perceptual interface. They’re not objective reality.

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                    A lot of fancy words to say…nothing. Of course we’re bound by our limited senses. Yet your subjective reality is the same as mine and everyone else’s. Otherwise there’d be no internet where you could say such things. And if we all perceive the same subjective reality, it kinda is our species’ objective reality. Everything beyond that is great for a philosophical discussion that ultimately leads to nowhere :)