Get out there with your org and radicalize some libs. Between Iran and ICE people are pissed
ill add that this is leninism 101. all the good orgs know this is toothless, but they are all there talking to libs. this is the sort of revolutionary moment mls talk about.
our orgs over here are certainly doing this on every single lib demonstration ever, and between that and some other agitating, we are finally starting to see some actual success.
Edit: I changed my mind on this after seeing a c/slop post and remembering just how spectacularly libbed out no kings is. I regret everything except posting.
Its performative but performance is the point. These things are sort of a show of force.A demonstration of the peoples’ ability to rally the “troops” - ie activate people who aren’t completely apathetic and checked out and get them doing something in common cause.it seems toothless but I’m pretty sure it scares the shit out of porky.I’m pretty sure it does not scare most of the actual bourgeoisie because these aren’t rallying the troops, they are just pep rallies. They aren’t rallying the troops until you can establish that many of the people present are troops.
It should scare them because it is rallying the troops. Not in the most literal sense perhaps, but in the sense of being able to move a segment of the population to act contrary to all of their conditioning and get them out in an unmediated space to network. It is a literally awe-some experience to join a massive rally for the first time.
One day the revolution will start in the streets with rallies like these and I’m glad the tradition is alive because its how generations of activists pass knowledge and networks along to each other.
move a segment of the population to act contrary to all of their conditioning
But it isn’t contrary to their conditioning. Part of the conditioning is “anyone who does anything ‘disruptive’ is not welcome, this is a ‘peaceful’ protest” which means that the bourgeoisie have erected guardrails and told the population they must stay within them, and the vast majority of the people in the No Kings protests are not only fully compliant to stay within those guard rails, they will actively prevent anyone else from going outside of them. Many of the people in these protests will do the cop’s job for them by making absolutely sure nothing “gets out of hand.”
its how generations of activists pass knowledge and networks along to each other.
Not sufficiently, or the frankly pathetic state of leftist organizing in the US would not be what it is. I am in agreement with those who say that these marches are an opportunity to go out and organize, and activists should be doing that. But the point is to radicalize more people, not to participate in the show, which itself really does not scare the rulers because it’s still all well within the rules!
Maybe the protests you were at were more compelling, but the ones I’ve known about were pep rallies that absolutely do not “move a segment of the population to act contrary to all of their conditioning.” It’s like a little music festival except most of the music is replaced by vacuous speeches by vote blue types (though there’s still some music), and the agitating done by leftists at these rallies is not the core of what they are nor do most of the people there engage with it.
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But Black Lives Matter protests actually were showing teeth because they were willing to destroy private property and burn police stations. That is not going to happen with No Kings, and if it starts to, the very same people making up the bulk of the protest will put a stop to it without the cops needing to lift a finger (though I’m sure the latter wouldn’t pass up the opportunity to bash some skulls regardless).
BLM had demands
Many of the BLM rallies were much more disruptive.
You are right I forgot just how much of a lib shit insult to resistence no kings is.
All good. There were also some No Kings rallies that I heard were pretty cool, like I think there was a good one in LA last time. I just think that when something good came out of them, it was often despite the mostly-lib organizers and the mostly-lib participants, because it was done by more radical agitators.
counterpoint: if you have friends who are on the lib-left and potentially ripe for education, these are decent places to invite them; you can pass important protest info and discuss the cops, state, class consciousness in a middle ground that gets “less political” folks in the mood for it. I know they’re basically toothless and performative, but if your lib friends are going and you’re up for it, you can do a lot to help them realize that instead of letting some democrat failson run a pep rally.
(Oh, and even if the rallies are just performative parades, it gets the piggies doing overtime and whining about missing their dinners)
Get out there and drop some knowledge on them.
my mom wouldn’t come stand with me with my Palestine flag but she’ll go to this shit
Putting the ‘con’ in ‘controlled opposition’
Organize, unionize and strike. That is the only way to stop the machine.
Making vague artistic representations of allusions to challenging authority is what the founding fathers meant when they said death to tyrants
Better than nothing though right?
It’s good for outreach. If there’s nothing like that, then it’s probably worse than nothing, but generally at least some local left orgs are going to be doing their best to make good use of it at various rallies.
If it doesn’t achieve anything itself, it’s not better than nothing.
i went to one, it was not better than nothing in all honesty.
it was overwhelmingly a bunch of geriatrics telling everyone to vote blue
no because a bunch of people will believe they did something and not do other stuff that might’ve been more real.
Indeed, not everybody is ready for the truly effective stuff: Posting memes criticizing “shitlibs” on a niche social media site nobody has heard of.
IDK it’s pretty demoralizing know this is all some people will ever do. In the meantime I’m now banned from peeing in public in several states…
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Bring nuke telaviv poster@have interesting discussions@get put in some database
