Twenty GOP Zoomers on Trump, Hitler, dating, racism, politics, the economy, and more
Andrew: As far as Fuentes is concerned, I feel like his viewpoints would have been mainstream not that long ago.
In 1935, yes.
If he’s saying something like most women want to be raped, well, Fifty Shades of Grey sells like hotcakes to women, so I feel like that’s just a fact.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Having not read 50 shades of Grey, doesn’t she consent to the BDSM stuff? I recall reading that there are some issues in the novel that don’t follow the well established rules in the subculture, but still
Basically yes. There are problematic elements but it’s not rape. Also it’s fiction where things happen in service to a plot that, unlike real life, comes to a resolution. So even if a woman does enjoy reading about rape, that doesn’t mean she wants it. In fact, it’s often read for cathartic reasons to deal with trauma. It’s about overcoming a situation she can identify with, not wallowing in the assault (caveat: healing is different for different people. I can’t speak for everyone, but I understand my wife pretty well).
You’re looking for delineation and distinction where the right wing doesn’t. 50 shades was a book about fucking rich people doing whatever they wanted and the woman accepting it. That’s the stereotypical impression from people who don’t read.
“The fact that “All quite on the Western Front” proves that men just want to watch their friends die in a pointless war, it’s just fact.”/s
People are crazy to not get that fiction can in fact represent a wide range of things from support, condemnation, and even neutral exploration of a meriad of topics at once.
Tbh I think this is much more an indictment of misogynistic, incurious, “Christian” (specifically Christian, as they overwhelmingly identify with the sect; in quotes because their positions are just so comically and obviously antithetical to what Christianity is ostensibly about) people, who aren’t terribly intelligent or mentally critical. Less sure about how much of a role living in Tennessee plays here, but I’m also sure it doesn’t help.
The levels of cognitive dissonance are… frankly baffling. “Andrew” straight up doesn’t think women should vote, and thinks Jewish people (across the board - Jewish, not Israel or even Israeli people) are “a force for evil”… and yet picks AOC as a candidate he’d like for president…?
Also: lmfao at the dudes going “waaaaah there are too many feminist women and nobody wants to date me”
Ladies and gentlefolk: the American Education System.
In all likelihood though, they just cherry picked the worst person they could find. The Gen z folks I happen to know are all extremely well adjusted, kind, more empathetic than I am and seem to have been able to see the writing on the wall for their future lives way sooner than my peers and I did.
Admittedly, it only takes a few psychopaths to undo all of that, so like any generation it’s probably a wash.
Not disagreeing, but I think the problem is letting people like this have a voice. The people producing this stuff think, “let’s shock people with this dudes behavior,” but in reality a shocking number of people think, “I’m not alone! I can say and think this!”
One minute they’re saying women are too emotional, belong in the home, and one goes so far as to say they shouldn’t be able to vote, the next they don’t want Muslims in the country because they treat women as second class citizens.
It really smacks of people who have an end belief and later try to find a somewhat socially acceptable rationalization for it. Which is ironic with how much they praised conservative pundits who apparently do all the research or whatever.
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RTFA - dude specifically says Jewish people; one of the interviewers goes “wait; direct question to you: you believe all Jewish people are “a force of evil”? And the dude goes “Yes sir, that’s what I said”.
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He’s doing what a lot of actual antisemitic nationalists do, which is intentionally conflating/ hiding behind the already established conflation between Israel and the Jewish people.
I don’t think we should be surprised that neonazis are taking the opportunity to call out the genocide in Gaza - we should also not be fooled into thinking they’re being earnest.
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The Israeli government intentionally conflates anti-Zionism and antisemitism because it’s politically useful for them. It allows them to use accusations of antisemitism as a cudgel against anyone opposing the genocide of Palestinians.
Just because Israel does it, and antisemites do it, doesn’t mean you or I or anyone else should do it. There are huge numbers of Jewish people worldwide who oppose the genocide and oppose the Israeli government.
I go to a Passover seder every year that the host mother dedicates to the people of Palestine, that they may one day be free of their oppression and bondage just as were the Jews of legend.
You can oppose the genocide in Palestine without agreeing with this POS and generalizing your hatred to all Jewish people. Maybe consider that a large proportion of the public figures in the U.S. who oppose Israeli aggression, like Naomi Klein, Judith Butler, Ezra Klein, Bernie Sanders, Ben Cohen, etc., are themselves Jewish.
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he is doing the exact same thing that the Israeli government and corporate media have been doing when they call anyone who criticizes the Israeli government an antisemite.
I agree.
supermajorities of folks in all political parties support folks labeled as antisemitic, because we all understand that the antisemitic label is complete bullshit now
Antisemitism is still a thing - it just happens to be a thing that’s perpetrated by those claiming Israel as ‘the Jewish state’ (and attributing their actions to those done by ‘the jewish people’) and by people who go along with that conflation. Supermajorities don’t support antisemitism, they oppose Israeli apartheid. That just makes it all the easier for actual antisemites to cover under the same political rock and pretend that they’re in the majority, while simultaneously leaning into the Jewish identity of the perpetrators of that genocide.
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It’s a wild read…
no kidding…
For some, that may not come from the Right.
One participant named Michelle Obama as his ideal next president. Another—the same one who had praised Nick Fuentes—cited Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as preferable to Ben Shapiro.
some people really just like kick-ass people and don’t care about the exact set of policies they’re gonna implement.
And i would say that yes, AOC is a kick-ass personality. That’s why i like her too. (but just to be clear, i don’t like nick fuentes)
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What the fuck?
the “z” in gen z comes from the word “zero”. as in, zero intelligence, zero prospects, zero accountability, zero hope.
Gen Zero.
A heavily propagandized, desensitized, sociopathic, and mentally-ill group… who would’ve thought?
Moderator: Does anyone think women should not be allowed to vote?
Only Andrew raises his hand.
Moderator: What do you think of Adolf Hitler?
Andrew: I’m in favor of a strong executive. I think we should have a stronger executive branch… I’m very pro-strong executive, strong leader, strong man. I support national sovereignty, and Hitler was a nationalist. He was like, we have to take Germany back for Germans. And I feel like we should do that in America. We should take America back for our native population. So, I’m not an expert on Hitler by any means, but as far as nationalism is concerned, I’m all that.
Moderator: What do you think of Jewish people?
Andrew: I would say a force for evil. I don’t see why we support Israel. I think Israel’s a very evil state. The genocide in Gaza, killing all these poor people. And the only reason we really support them is because they are the biggest donors. We have AIPAC, and these are all Jewish-run organizations.
Moderator: Let me clarify that. Andrew, you think the Jewish people are a force for evil?
Andrew: Yes, sir. It doesn’t bother me if it’s true. Those slurs, if you’re racist or whatever, that just rolls off my back… This is my country, my people have been here since the American Revolution, so I say what I want to.
I’d call giving America back to its native population a damn good start.
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Here’s what they think: insert a bunch of angry fascist shit gleaned from youtube and twitch
Youtube and twitch are the biggest drivers of fascism and you can’t change my view
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Interesting and well-written write-up. Definitely worth a read.
I found it interesting how lots of people seem to get their views entirely from social media and have no self-experienced real-life experiences.
Like, most of their takes seem to be getting from social media. There’s actually short interviews with each of the candidates in the article. Then, i wonder, isn’t it the same for many of you/us? Who really gets their news from own-life experiences? Who really goes out to the people to see how they’re doing? Basically nobody. It’s not good if we rely on articles too much for our input. Because articles are biased and often incisive. We can only find our own worldview if we see the world through our own eyes, with as few middle-men as possible, because middle-men blur the picture. It’s like the telephone game. The longer the chain of information transport, the more distorted the informations get. It’s best to directly make own observations.
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No question on what they think about the Epstein files?
Every single person in this article is a complete fool or a deranged maniac who should be thrown in a big hole. None of them have opinions worth considering for more than a second.
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I’m visibly trans so like I wouldn’t feel comfortable or safe sharing a room with these people unless I were armed. You can talk with them all you like but nothing would be lost if these reactionaries were tossed down a mineshaft. They’re slime to me. I don’t blame them for anything, they’re not at the levers of government power or the machinations of capital. I also don’t care who they vote for since America is operated by the whims of imperialism rather than public input. That doesn’t change my personal feelings in thinking every single person there should be ripped apart by wild dogs.
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Visibly trans means I don’t pass as cis. Anyone who looks at me knows that I’m trans. That’s OK with me though since I’m non-binary and don’t wish to pass as any particular gender. But it does mean that I’m occasionally in situations where a bigot wants to give me dirty looks, or try to call me a slur, stuff like that.
Personally I’m doing great and know exactly what my style is and who I am. I’m at peace with myself and I have a bunch of interests and artistic pursuits. Which I believe is a big reason for why I know who I regard as hostile. Anyone identifying as an open republican, conservative, right wing, etc. They’re all either an idiot or someone who should get lined up against a wall and shot. If they’re simply an idiot then yeah, put them in re-education and scrub their brain clean of everything rotting it. I do not have sympathy for adults openly identifying themselves as fascists or transphobes or whatever. They’re utter scum who shouldn’t feel the confidence to air their vile hatred in public. They should feel a permanent fear of public consequences.
This is why I own guns by the way. I do not feel comfortable sharing a country with this scum. I don’t feel safe existing in a country where any random person could be a reactionary bigot who also has easy access to firearms. So I simply don’t have sympathy for people who I might potentially have to shoot in self-defense because they thought I look too gay or whatever. I don’t have sympathy for people who don’t believe I should exist.
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With IQs that low who could understand the response.
