https://xcancel.com/mtgreenee/status/1968288187458961457#m

Candace, Tucker, and Marjorie are saying that Charlie Kirk was secretly anti-Israel despite being openly pro-Israel his entire career.

I changed the wording of the post a little bit because I’m not sure that they outright say that Israel killed Kirk, but they are implying it.

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    A lot of what’s been coming out does seem very suspicious. However, regardless of whether or not this conspiracy theory is true, shifting the right’s ire away from trans people/leftists and towards Israel seems like a positive development.

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      Yeah he was a PoS. A lot of these right-winger populist mfs were slowly going against “israel” one-by-one because it’s hard to defend them anymore lol. 80 years of propaganda has been demolished. Now these grifters have to slowly pivot over and it takes a while to do that.

      First invite some anti-zionists and debate them, agree with some of their takes, invite a zionist on the show, criticize them a bit, and keep repeating the process until you’re seen as an anti-zionist in people’s eyes.

      Piers Morgan did it, Tucker Carlson did it, Charlie Kirk was next in line to do it. They didh’t suddenly grow a conscious 2 years into the genocide, it’s all about self-preservation and ratings.

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    Kirk might’ve had private, critical dislikes about Israel, but ZERO chance he’d ever “turn” on Israel in public with any sincerity besides offering occasional / mild criticism.

    He’s a mouthpiece for the GOP (if there’s any doubt see Exhibit A: JD Vance hosted Turning Points this week). Until the GOP turns on Israel, he’s saying whatever line they tell him to.

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        You’re not wrong, but then the question becomes why target Kirk and not Owens. idk the story that this was a kid who just succumbed to America’s culture of violence and gun fetishization makes more sense to me than Mossad choosing to kill Kirk over people like Fuentes who have more cultural purchase and are more clearly anti-Israel.

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      I wrote this above:

      A lot of these right-winger populist mfs were slowly going against “israel” one-by-one because it’s hard to defend them anymore lol. 80 years of propaganda has been demolished. Now these grifters have to slowly pivot over and it takes a while to do that.

      First invite some anti-zionists and debate them, agree with some of their takes, invite a zionist on the show, criticize them a bit, and keep repeating the process until you’re seen as an anti-zionist in people’s eyes.

      Piers Morgan did it, Tucker Carlson did it, Charlie Kirk was next in line to do it. They didh’t suddenly grow a conscious 2 years into the genocide, it’s all about self-preservation and ratings.

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      His main goal is to keep the youth, which are anti Israel, still loyal to the GOP. Throwing them a few bones like a MTG debate about AIPAC makes sense in this regard. As long as there is room for anti Israel people in the GOP you can maintain the youth support.

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    Candace said a lot of other weird things on her stream yesterday. She said that she is in contact with the parents of “Lance Twiggs”, the roommate of the shooter. She said that Lance’s family told her that Tyler Robinson is “deepweb”. Then she said that the other suspect George Zinn, may have also been a collaborator by helping him get away.

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      If they aren’t doctored, this is a crime of passion and he’s a pretty sympathetic character. If they are, it means he’s probably just another standard shooter profile and they don’t want us to know because it makes them look bad.

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    I’m sure there’s plenty of evidence of him being more anti Israel in private then in public, where he was practically a member of the administration. But to say that Israel would kill him over this doesn’t make sense.

    That being said, those texts are also fishy, kash patel always appears to be lying, and its going to be hard to trust the FBI at all.

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      But to say that Israel would kill him over this doesn’t make sense.

      It’s not supposed to, it’s just trying to be antisemitic without outright saying “The Jewish Cabal killed him.”

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        Yeah I guess so and that’s the tune to expect from the likes of Klandace Owens or Fucker Carlson.

        This guy just said he trusts the admin on the Epstein stuff, obviously he wasn’t about to start globalizing the intifada or whatever the fuck

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      kash patel always appears to be lying

      seriously I feel like I can hear a laugh track after everything he says like the audience knows he’s making shit up on the spot.

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    I remember watching a video about this the day when he was shot. The gist of it:

    • He had recently started criticizing Israel.
    • he also refused money from Netanyahu.
    • As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying “it wasn’t us”.
    • Israel pretty much immediately painted a mural of Kirk to claim him as a friend.
    • Killing him allows them to put an Israel puppet in his place, while setting up that anti-Israel groyper guy as a scapegoat.

    I don’t care much for American celebrities, so I don’t know whether any of this is true, but that was the “evidence” for Israel doing it.

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      He had recently started criticizing Israel.

      Completely flimsy, he said some negative things here and there but was still overall an ardent supporter. Not everyone is going to be Ben Shapiro, and people are wildly exaggerating his limited criticisms.

      As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying “it wasn’t us”.

      Because he was asked

      Killing him allows them to put an Israel puppet in his place,

      He’s already a fucking puppet of Israel, he’s just not as freakish about it as Shapiro

      while setting up that anti-Israel groyper guy as a scapegoat.

      We have no evidence that the shooter was either anti-Israel or a groyper. That speculation appears to be false.

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        As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying “it wasn’t us”.

        Because he was asked

        certainly but the denial he made is just the fumbliest most suspicious shit i’ve ever seen. 5 year olds can lie and seem less suspicious than bibi did in the interview i saw

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        As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying “it wasn’t us”.

        Because he was asked

        all the israeli killed kirk conspiracies are dumb. having said that, the netanyahu response was pretty fucking crazy. dude is such a monster he literally just can’t be normal

        just to re-emphasize: zero chance this was a Mossad op. but LOL at netanyahu not helping people realize that

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    It is a funny coincidence that his last interviewee was Benny Shapeeno and Captain Kirk ever so slightly had a line of questioning that was like “what would you say to people who say Israel maybe isn’t a completely perfect utopia that is by definition incapable of committing any wrong?”, after which he was shot dead and Ben took his job, lol.

    Also kinda sus that the daily wire apparently had a million bucks to pay TPUSA all of a sudden when all the stories have been that daily wire is fucking broke and losing viewers for the last year. But the (even more) Zionist capture of TPUSA since Kirk got ventilated seems more like “don’t let a good crisis go to waste” than a conspiracy.