the skill issues of one sector doesn’t allow fud about the others. call it unfair, but it was rigged from the beginning and giving up simply isn’t an option (kinda rare characteristic for human conflicts).
I don’t think downplaying our efforts is really helpful to our goals.
I also don’t believe in the individual vs collective action blame dichotomy, because we should build pilitical infrastructure that fosters climate action and prevents emissions -> If we continue to put or keep lawmakers into power that empower the extreme rich, we disempower ourselves.
The subsequent economic system doesn’t really matter, but the physical output matters.
I don’t think downplaying our efforts is really helpful to our goals
The math don’t lie. When you’re working on the scale of kilowatts and kilojoules, while your local hedge fund is operating on the scale of gigawatts and giga joules in the opposite direction, you’ve been outgunned by orders of magnitude.
Indeed, I just don’t bother. That energy can and should be used in more meaningful, impactful ways like protests and policy changes. Which isn’t much but it’s the best we got.
You absolutely should be giant assholes to those people doing the most damage.
But this does not preclude you from doing something to decrease your own, likely outsized, damage yourself. It certainly does not excuse you from doing nothing.
Yeah, it’s why I continue torturing puppies daily for my own pleasure. Sure, it’s bad to do this, but have you seen how much pain a billionaire causes? The total suffering in the world will not meaningfully decrease if I stop torturing puppies, so why bother doing it?
This comment is exactly what I meant above. We need both policy changes and individual action, simply because most industrialised societies work that way - as mixed economies.
Hedge funds consist of the labour of individuals in collectives (ie companies). Their products are only valuable because people keep their function and infrastructure intact (physically, legally).
Scales cannot be compared that way. I don’t know the right term, but a better comparison might be between your efforts and the impact of a single ‘buyer’ of those hedge funds (or in the case of the extreme rich, the labour of a single worker that creates/created their power). Scales require similar spatial or material flow boundaries to be comparable.
Cloud-resolving climate models are nowadays run on high intensity super-computers which have a high power consumption and thus cause CO2 emissions.[44] They require exascale computing […]. For example, the Frontier exascale supercomputer consumes 29 MW.[45] It can simulate a year’s worth of climate at cloud resolving scales in a day.[46]
Techniques that could lead to energy savings, include for example: “reducing floating point precision computation; developing machine learning algorithms to avoid unnecessary computations; and creating a new generation of scalable numerical algorithms that would enable higher throughput in terms of simulated years per wall clock day.”[44]
Let me point a critical part that you seemed to have skipped:
… to avoid unnecessary computations…
Using ML algorithms to add more computations that weren’t necessary doesn’t help. Using it to improve computations can, if it’s more efficient than not using it. ML can be a useful and good thing, but the extreme vast majority of what it’s currently being used for is trying to come up with more places to shove it where it doesn’t reduce computations and instead increases it.
I just copied the Wikipedia part, because I thought it funny how AI in media is different from AI in science. I don’t have a stance on the power consumption of climate models because without the models we’d be very unequipped for the storm we brew.
Sorry for creating the image of me criticising valuable science.
I don’t see the connection?
Each sector has to do its part: Food production, Housing AND, yes, computation. AND, not XOR.
The AND part ain’t happening
the skill issues of one sector doesn’t allow fud about the others. call it unfair, but it was rigged from the beginning and giving up simply isn’t an option (kinda rare characteristic for human conflicts).
tldr: so what
The post isn’t saying ‘give up’ it’s calling out the tech sector.
For… not being the energy sector? I’m not sure what people are getting at.
New technology uses energy! We still don’t have 100% renewable energy everywhere! How dare they!
Me, doing my tiny part to help
Billionaire, undoing the efforts of millions of people
Energy prices surging. Agriculture collapsing. Heat waves killing thousands of people. Wars erupting over access to potable water.
Everyone doing their part.
I don’t think downplaying our efforts is really helpful to our goals.
I also don’t believe in the individual vs collective action blame dichotomy, because we should build pilitical infrastructure that fosters climate action and prevents emissions -> If we continue to put or keep lawmakers into power that empower the extreme rich, we disempower ourselves.
The subsequent economic system doesn’t really matter, but the physical output matters.
The math don’t lie. When you’re working on the scale of kilowatts and kilojoules, while your local hedge fund is operating on the scale of gigawatts and giga joules in the opposite direction, you’ve been outgunned by orders of magnitude.
Indeed, I just don’t bother. That energy can and should be used in more meaningful, impactful ways like protests and policy changes. Which isn’t much but it’s the best we got.
Quite a bit of modern progressive reform was won by being giant assholes towards people in power until they capitulated.
I don’t think climate change will be resolved any differently.
You absolutely should be giant assholes to those people doing the most damage.
But this does not preclude you from doing something to decrease your own, likely outsized, damage yourself. It certainly does not excuse you from doing nothing.
Yeah, it’s why I continue torturing puppies daily for my own pleasure. Sure, it’s bad to do this, but have you seen how much pain a billionaire causes? The total suffering in the world will not meaningfully decrease if I stop torturing puppies, so why bother doing it?
spoiler
/s obviously
That’s a strange logical fallacy but you do you.
This comment is exactly what I meant above. We need both policy changes and individual action, simply because most industrialised societies work that way - as mixed economies.
Hedge funds consist of the labour of individuals in collectives (ie companies). Their products are only valuable because people keep their function and infrastructure intact (physically, legally).
Scales cannot be compared that way. I don’t know the right term, but a better comparison might be between your efforts and the impact of a single ‘buyer’ of those hedge funds (or in the case of the extreme rich, the labour of a single worker that creates/created their power). Scales require similar spatial or material flow boundaries to be comparable.
Wtf
huh?
Bro hit’em with them logic gates
So that’s what we use AI for, solving the climate crisis!
Whew, glad we got that settled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_model
Let me point a critical part that you seemed to have skipped:
Using ML algorithms to add more computations that weren’t necessary doesn’t help. Using it to improve computations can, if it’s more efficient than not using it. ML can be a useful and good thing, but the extreme vast majority of what it’s currently being used for is trying to come up with more places to shove it where it doesn’t reduce computations and instead increases it.
I just copied the Wikipedia part, because I thought it funny how AI in media is different from AI in science. I don’t have a stance on the power consumption of climate models because without the models we’d be very unequipped for the storm we brew.
Sorry for creating the image of me criticising valuable science.
https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~gamvrosi/thelastq.html
Chilling.
Knee jerk bs response. The poster didn’t say don’t participate in society, but that we all need to do our part.
Replace ‘you participate in society’ with ‘the extreme rich exist’
It’s all NAND under the hood.