• D61 [any]@hexbear.net
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    14 days ago

    When you become unstuck in time and past, present and future are all mixed up like a half melted Dairy Queen Blizzard.

  • IHave69XiBucks@lemmygrad.ml
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    15 days ago

    Do these people not realize Ukraine is a soviet country too? If using soviet standards the Russia Ukraine war is a civil war.

    • iridaniotter [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      15 days ago

      No, the average American has always viewed the Soviet Union as just Russia, and uses the two terms interchangeably. This is even funnier when you consider that Soviet Ukraine quite literally had its own representative in the UN, but of course the average American also knows nothing about the UN.

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    15 days ago

    The actual answer to this is that the Soviets did have legitimate logistics issues during WW2, as well as pretty serious quality control issues with many kinds of fighting vehicles, as well as a lack of repair parts for said vehicles actually being with the units that needed them.

    At least some of these issues were significantly helped by the US lend-leasing them fucktons of supply trucks and various spare/repair parts.

    But uh, by the Cold War, they had largely gotten their shit together and were not really signifcantly better or worse than other major militaries…

    …you could perhaps say the Soviets were overly fond of building all kinds of vehicles that other militaries would use a more fuel efficient chassis as a basis for… the Soviets a bit more so just kept basing things off of the same, reliable and proven, but fuel inefficient chassis and engines originally designed for tanks…

    … but they also directly held an outsized proportion of oil reserves, compared to other countries… so its kind of moot.

    But, then, after the Soviet Union collapsed… well, now nobody in charge of fuel depots, vehicle depots, ammo depots, etc, is getting paid much, or anything, so… now they are having an unofficial yard sale.

    And this kind of corruption just became normalized, as… everyone of the oligarchs after the collapse basically became so by just getting handed some chunk of the previously state run economy to now manage as a private enterprise… shock doctrine, austerity on steroids… so, if all the leaders of society are operating this way, well why not do it yourself?

    IIRC, Pepsi at one point purchased a submarine.

    Putin tried to reform the military out of this culture, but he uh… didn’t quite achieve all that he thought he had.

    Its sorta like how a lot of people in the US just view the French as utterly militarily inept… because they got overrun in WW2.

    Despite that they played a very major role in WW1, they, basically maintained an empire of colonial holdings by fighting a whole bunch of minor wars during the cold war, and still to this day have not actually granted full autonomy to their ‘former colonies’, still have a military presence in them…

    But general layman American understanding of anything military basically always starts at, or directly refers back to WW2.

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      14 days ago

      The Pepsi thing happened during the Soviet Union. The pepsi co would barter with the Soviet Union to import pepsi. Normally they would exchange for vodka, but in one instance they took ownership of some ex Soviet naval assets which they then sold for scrap.

      This is then spun up into a bullshit clickbait story about pepsi having the worlds third largest navy at one point.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      15 days ago

      basing things off of the same, reliable and proven, but fuel inefficient chassis and engines originally designed for tanks…

      Which is why one of the only vehicles still operable in the arctic circle is a Soviet science lab built on a tank chassis.

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        15 days ago

        Soviet science lab built on a tank chassis

        I looked this up and immediately saw an article subtitled: “The Soviet monster machines that conquered Antarctica”

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    15 days ago

    …that I cannot find an ounce of evidence to support

    I’m doing yet another deep dive on Soviet history during the Stalin years (I’m an ML in a trot org and want receipts) and this statement perfectly encapsulates how fucking frustrating it all is. Even revisionist school historians, who tend to be more reasonable, cite Hoover Institution ghouls for like half of their sources.

    Like I’ll read a chapter describing how bad something was. I make notes of anything sourced from the Soviet Archives or other firsthand accounts, cross out anything citing Robert Conquest and the like (or often just unsourced claims or “we don’t have evidence but it was probably blah”). And what I’m left with is a skeleton of facts that don’t really point one way or another. The narrative “skin and muscle” constructed around this skeleton more often than not just seems to corroborate the author’s pre-existing beliefs. I could just as easily invent a believable counter-narrative (which is what less-scrupulous authors have done), but it ultimately doesn’t prove anything.

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      15 days ago

      No one ever really answers the question “if they were so bad at everything and starving, how did they compete with us in a space race and a Cold War?”

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      15 days ago

      There was a really good post on r/history from like 10 years ago about the Nazi efficiency myth and how much more effective the Soviet army over time. The emphasis was that the Soviets applied “scientific socialism” to their strategy and tactics and would pore over results of battles and incursions making constant adjustments to avoid prior mistakes.

      Edit: I don’t remember if logistics were specifically mentioned but one assumes that planning would improve as the war went on.

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        Edit: I don’t remember if logistics were specifically mentioned but one assumes that planning would improve as the war went on.

        By necessity, it would have to.

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        15 days ago

        I sell newspapers constantly because I’m trapped in a Trotskyite cult where comrades (white college students) criticize me mercilessly for having a flag from the USSR (degenerate workers state)

        They won’t let me order vegan pizza anymore because the phone is Stalinist and “summoning my pizza slaves with a bureaucratic app" is “bad vibes”