• voracitude@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    5 months ago

    I have no horse in the Linux distro race, I’m just downvoting this inferior version of the meme format because fuck that guy.

      • taaz@biglemmowski.win
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        lemmy.one has disabled downvotes, it’s up to admins of each instance if they allow viewing and making downvotes.

      • voracitude@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        At least in the Voyager app. I have heard it’s not the same thing as elsewhere but I haven’t taken the time to understand how or why it’s different.

              • voracitude@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                5 months ago

                That sounds reasonable to me! Would explain why the mobile app has it and the web app doesn’t; I don’t know if a Lemmy instance has a way to advertise the functions it supports to third party apps.

                • Zangoose@lemmy.one
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  I think blocking downvotes is an option built into Lemmy servers that can be communicated through the API. I know there are a decent amount of instances that don’t federate downvotes because of toxicity concerns.

                • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  For me, the Boost Lemmy app let me downvote even though my instance has it disabled… It just quietly failed and when I go back the downvote isn’t there.

                  The Jerboa and Voyager apps, on the other hand, don’t: Voyager let’s you try but correctly shows an error, while Jerboa flat out doesn’t offer it since I can’t anyway

  • Peasley@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    Somebody has never used opensuse. Zypper is an amazing package manager, one of the best on any distro.

    It can handle flatpacks, native packages, and packages from the opensuse build system, keeping everything updated and organized.

    Pacman is very basic by comparison, and a lot slower too in my experience.

      • Peasley@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        I guess I’m smart enough to install opensuse, but dumb enough that I somehow got slow pacman.

        I kid you not, on my hardware zypper is the fastest between ubuntu apt, fedora dnf, and arch pacman. dnf was the second-fastest on my hardware, with apt and pacman being pretty sluggish

        I’ve also used portage which was even slower, but probably not a fair comparison considering how much more complex it is.

          • sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            5 months ago

            Trust me my friend, a person can make a c program that’s much, much slower than one in python. That’s a meaningless point.

            Sure, c allows for more control and thus the possibility for a quicker program but that’s just it, a possibility.

            Zipper, though written in c++, can only download one thing at a time. This is why it’s so slow

          • Zangoose@lemmy.one
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            5 months ago

            In the grand scheme of things the difference between C, C++, and Python isn’t meaningful when operating over a network (edit: for a single-user system). It’s very likely that the difference for thread OP is just caused by weaker connections to specific repos.

            We’re talking about a package manager, not a game, network server, etc. On a basic level the package manager only needs to download files from a network and install them (OS syscalls for reading/writing files, these are exposed C functions or assembly routines), or delegate to a specific package’s build setup (which will also likely be written in a compiled language)

  • Presi300@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    4 months ago

    Coming from someone who’s clearly never used Arch… It is anything but stable, that’s kinda the whole point.

  • lemmyreader@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    5 months ago

    Bold :-) openSUSE is based on zypper and rpm. Arch Linux uses its own package system.

    p.s. Please replace that Change my mind guy with a Calvin and Hobbes one.

  • Björn Tantau@swg-empire.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    Serious question: What makes Arch’s package manager so “great”? I always just found it confusing to use. The flags don’t make any sense to me. It feels like you have to add a varying number of s or y to get it to do what you want. I never found it to be any faster or slower than any of the others (apart from portage of course) out there. And apart from the flags it doesn’t seem to give me any more or less trouble than the others.

  • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    OpenSUSE exists as a testbed for SLE, I don’t think there’s anything confusing about that. It’s also much easier to get to a sensible setup for new users. If it weren’t for the AUR and the Arch Wiki, I would probably still be using it.

  • Raccoonn@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    OpenSUSE was actually released long before Arch even existed. I’m an Arch user, btw, but I consider both operating systems to be excellent choices. Everyone has their own preferences. Let people enjoy what they like and embrace their individuality. We don’t all have to be alike…

  • Shareni@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    Arch has no reason to exist as almost all of it’s benefits are replicated with nix without having your system fail to boot because you dared to update it.

      • Shareni@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        5 months ago

        Run pacman -Syu, reboot, and it fails to boot. Had it happen many times with arch and derivatives on multiple devices. It’s far more likely to happen if you don’t update for like a month.

        • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          5 months ago

          First off, run Syyu, the old arch gods demand it

          Also have a copy of pacman-static somewhere so that you can fix your shit in case of a partial upgrade (and trust me, it can go horribly wrong)

          And thirdly, Arch is meant as a power user distro – despite this abhorrent popularity it has gained, the fact of the matter remains that you need to know the system inside and out, if you make your arch system unable to boot… Don’t use arch

          This is not my attempt at elitism. Arch was never meant to be a hassle free distro and it sure as shit is not one.

          There are many maintenance-free distros you can use instead. Can I offer you a Debian in these trying times?

          • Shareni@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            5 months ago

            Also have a copy of pacman-static somewhere so that you can fix your shit in case of a partial upgrade (and trust me, it can go horribly wrong)

            Oh I know, I quickly learned to never update it without having live media nearby to arch-chroot with.

            if you make your arch system unable to boot… Don’t use arch

            The only thing I did to make it unbootable is to update it. Going by that logic nobody should use it.

            This is not my attempt at elitism. Arch was never meant to be a hassle free distro and it sure as shit is not one.

            I definitely agree, that’s why I’m commenting against dumbasses suggesting it to beginners. Especially when they glorify AUR.

            Can I offer you a Debian in these trying times?

            No need, I already landed on MX + nix after 2+ years of arch. Nix unstable gives me all of the benefits of arch (except for the DE) and then plenty more on top. Different downsides, but far less stressful. I’m

            • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              5 months ago

              You need to keep the update log and go through the whole thing and see if something needs reconfiguring. Sounds shitty? Yeah, that’s why I stopped using Arch and Gentoo despite being a veteran

              Nowadays I just install Debian or some derivative and call it a damn day. Unless you need some exotic setup (and those are more suited to Gentoo or Slackware anyway)

              • Shareni@programming.dev
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                5 months ago

                Oh I had a far simpler method: update and it fails to boot? Rollback and try updating again in a week. It usually works then, but I had to wait a bit more a couple of times.

                The only exception was that bad GRUB release. I think that’s the only update fail that absolutely required arch-chroot.