I choose all options simultaneously, so yes I wear a helmet but also Chicago is adding protected bike lanes left and right and Illinois is flirting with enshrining the Idaho stop into state law. Experiments with pedestrianizing streets have been extremely popular on the hyperlocal level, as well.
Ever since a SUV almost ran over my 4yo while the driver was looking at their smartphone instead of the red light, I insist that my family takes route 3, isolation (use the pedestrian bridge). But I have to constantly explain and reexplain myself even to my own family members.
We do have administrative and engineering controls too… licenses to drive, laws, and separated highways, sidewalks etc. We’re still too far down the ladder, but you either missed this or are just trolling.
No, because of the way society runs on cars, the licenses don’t mean much. I literally know people who drive without one illegally and don’t care.
There’s also just so many places, at least in the US, without any fucking sidewalks. Not that that protects cyclists who obey the law and stay off of them.
people who drive without one illegally
Not sure if confused or dumb as hell.
You could just not be an asshole, because you know what they meant. They made a fair point as well, its common to drive without a license in America. A lot of boomers lost their licenses due to alcohol abuse.
I’m not being an asshole. That’s a dumbass comment and people should be ostracized for not thinking before they speak.
Wow you are so good at ostracizing, my bad let me get out of the way.
I feel like you’re treating cars as the reason people wear bike helmets, and as a commuter cyclist… No?
If cars did not exist, you should still wear a helmet. If I were in perfect visibility on a straight, guaranteed clear, brand-new concrete bike path that has nobody else on it except a first aid team trailing 200 feet behind me, I would still wear a helmet because I’m not a fucking idiot.
And whereas it’s obviously common to recommend wearing bright colors, I don’t think I’ve ever seen helmets be the main PPE someone targets specifically for a car crash.
Risk: car collisions
Elimination: no cars, walkable cities
Substitution: trains, buses, alternative transportation
Engineering: highways, sidewalks, traffic lights, bicycle lanes, school zones, speed limits, DUI tests, etc
Administrative: driving licences, road safety campaigns, law enforcement, vehicle attention / lane departure / impending collision alerts
PPE: seatbelts, helmets, crumple zones, lowered vehicle centre of gravity
We went all in on the least effective measures, and most of them only benefit the driver of a car, not pedestrians or cyclists
I think the point here is that we wear helmets for reasons that have little to do with cars, but traffic safety engineers treat helmets and high-viz as the be-all, end-all of rider protection. (Because they actually don’t give a shit about safety, rather just a plausible way to blame the victims so they don’t get sued.)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen helmets be the main PPE someone targets specifically for a car crash.
I used to drive with a bike hating friend and he liked the schlubs hugging the shoulder in blue jeans and no helmet. “See? That’s not a problem; he’s fine,” he’d say, “it’s the assholes with the spandex that think they own the road that I hate.”
Owning the road? You mean like cars do?
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression”
That is why they exist.
do you wear a helmet when you walk? if not why not, you can trip, fall smash your head.
do you wear a helmet when driving a car? lots of head injuries in car accidents
places that have very high rates of cycling don’t wear helmets.
these same places motorcycle without helmets too.
it doesn’t make it a wise choice.
I can take pictures like this in heavily car trafficked areas as well. That still doesn’t mean they’re safe, or sane.
Insane take tbh, I refuse to wear a helmet when biking. Why?
I want car drivers to act more carefully around me, and I have no need for bicycle helmets because the environment is calm and safe (lots of bicycle infrastructure here).
Having to wear helmets bc carbrains can’t be arsed to bugger off is next level victim blaming…
You do realize that falling off your bike without a helmet, no cars in sight whatsoever, can still give you a concussion and brain damage? That’s the reason you should wear one.
Helmets help in single bike collisions/falls, it’s true. You’ll see more people wearing helmets when the bike path are icy. “Wear a helmet” can be good individual advice depending on the context. But we all have hair triggers because of the use of helmet laws to end bike shares or blame victims – that driver of an SUV ran the cyclist off the road, but was he wearing a helmet?? Just look at the commenter above saying they’d wear a helmet even in a low risk situation, “because they’re not a fucking idiot.” That language furthers the perception that riding a bike is always a dangerous activity, and anyone not wearing a helmet had it coming…
I have been in several bike and scooter accidents, only 1 was caused by a car and in all but one my helmet saved me from a worse fate. Most mountain bikers wear helmets well away from cars.
My worst bike accident was caused by a dog, a herding breed who took offense to my going past him at 25 mph and ran into my front wheel. The most annoying thing was his wandering off and taking a nap after he brought me down with a torn knee ligament.
I want car drivers to act more carefully around me
Terrible reason.
I have no need for bicycle helmets because the environment is calm and safe (lots of bicycle infrastructure here).
Better reason.
Your head squishes like a watermelon when a car drives over it exactly the same way whether you are right or wrong.
Insane take. Heard this quote from a German new to the US: are all these adults wearing helmets because they’re afraid they’ll fall off?
I wear a helmet when I’m mountain biking because there there is a risk I’ll fall off.
I can’t remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work.
Strange thing citing a German. As a rule of thumb at least 2/3 of adults in Germany wear helmets, and all kids under 12 .
Shit, you’re right, actually. My doctor growing up telling me that a helmet protects my brain, spine, and face from lifelong, debilitating injury that he’s seen all too many times was probably a stupid idiot who thinks people fall off bikes sometimes even when they think they won’t. What a drip!
Exactly. Wearing a helmet also protects you while walking, but it is not a cultural norm to do that.
Falling off a bike at speed is a lot more dangerous than doing so while walking though. Even if you believe wearing a helmet while biking is overkill, I don’t think comparing it to walking really makes that point.
If you’re road cycling at speed, it would make sense to wear a helmet. But if you’re biking to work at a reasonable speed, it is not much different from walking. Which is why it is normal to dress for the destination in countries where people are less worried about being hit by a car. It is never wrong to wear a helmet.
Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity. 3 mph is a normal walking speed while 12-15 mph is a reasonable cycling speed, and 30 mph is easy to achieve on a downhill. The energy difference is not “not much”.
Not sure what the point is here. You can wear a helmet if you want. But you shouldn’t be forced to.
People generally don’t walk in traffic. There aren’t laws mandating that people walk in traffic. Etc.
If people do walk in traffic, then I would recommend a helmet at least.
I can’t remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work
That’s called a traumatic brain injury sweetie.
On a serious note, it really happened to a friend. He went from riding his electric scooter home on a Friday night to being in the ER with a concussion, collapsed lung and 8 broken ribs in a blink of an eye. We suspect a hit and run but no witnesses and no memories of it. He was wearing a helmet.
He might have just hit something in the road. I bicycled a lot when I lived in Florida and they used to have these turn lane dividers that were basically upside-down metal bowls that were bolted to the asphalt – no big deal for cars but enough to send a cyclist to the ground if he doesn’t see them, like I didn’t one night.
Right – the danger is from cars. Wearing ahelmet is a rarional response to the danger. Although scooters are a lot easier to fall off than bikes since speed/momentum does not keep them upright.
I can’t remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work.
The only time I’ve hit my head while biking was on my way home from running an errand (so not exactly commuting, but still utility cycling). I was riding past a construction site and, being an engineer, was distracted looking at the structure when my wheels caught the edge of a metal plate covering a hole in the road. I keep my broken helmet as a sort of memento mori, because it definitely would’ve been bad if I hadn’t been wearing one.
On an individual basis, IMO it’s always safer to wear a helmet than not. On a societal basis, helmets for biking should not be required because it’s better to have more people biking than to choose to drive instead.
There’s a road on my regular ride that has a grate embedded in it at the wrong orientation so that a road bike’s tires would get caught in it. I saw it for the first time about ten feet in front of me going 30 mph (it’s at the bottom of a steep hill). That’s when I learned you can actually jump in a bike. I’ve been regularly complaining about this thing to the township for the 15 years since, to naturally no effect.
I once crashed into a missing section of sidewalk going downhill pretty fast… one of the many reasons i try not to bike on the sidewalk any more, or go that fast. Even if the street with cars is not much better. And before anyone asks, yes i was wearing a helmet.
I completely agree. When people try to make the point that it is immoral not to wear a helmet, that’s what makes my blood boil.
I wear a helmet during my commute because after I’m hit by a car and launched from the hood, my head may hit the pavement and split open.
Right – the danger is from cars. Wearing a helmet is rational around cars.
Fuck cars
I can’t remember the last time i fell off on my commute to work.
I’m not worried about falling off. I’m worried about being murdered by the people in cars.
But I agree there are times when a helmet isn’t necessary. I don’t wear a helmet on bike paths, when streets are closed, etc. - basically whenever there are no cars.
Right – in the US adults wear helmets because of the dangers of cars.
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Where does sandy loam goes on this
Lemmy ahh post.
Let’s replace the hazard with !micromobility@lemmy.world! Too bad there are massive industries funding an insane fight against it.
The assholes leading the oil and automotive industries seem to be amoral at best and have little to no regard for all the lives it costs having a car-centric society.
Obligatory podcast episode:
[The War on Cars] Fine, We’re Doing a Helmet Episode https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/waroncars/TWOC_2026-09-08-E179-HELMETS_GENERAL.mp3?dest-id=807818
Nobody has ever been runover in my living room. So it works.
But nobody was there so it doesn’t count lol.
There are many players involved and each has a different appetite for risk and access to different controls for the risk encountered.
Suppose for example, you’re an automobile manufacturer. Then the success of campaigns to eliminate automobiles is a risk to your business. To control that risk, you may support politicians who advocate for your interest. (IE the Ford gov in Ontario CA, there is a large base of auto mfgs in Ontario)
On the other hand, you might be a person who needs to get to the other side of the street. In this scenario, if your appetite for risk is large enough you can don PPE and attempt a crossing or eliminate the risk completely and not cross at all.
Supporting local advocacy groups is most effective in areas where there aren’t embedded interests like the Ontario example. In fact, most cities/regions don’t have an embedded automobile manufacturing or related base and would be well-suited to grass roots advocacy.
Suppose for example, you’re an automobile manufacturer. Then the success of campaigns to eliminate automobiles is a risk to your business.
We should come up with a society where people’s individual interests aren’t bad for society. Somehow. Perhaps magic?
But yeah there’s a lot of “but I need my orphan grinding machines to sell that’s my whole business” and I don’t have a lot of sympathy, because those machines are dangerous and bad. Like, just stop selling mega-suvs or single use plastic junk or whatever. I’d be happy for the state to pay them to do something else instead.
[???] or barbarism
While potentially helpful, I don’t think magic is required. We can do this with the tools and society available. Instead of focusing attention on places like Detroit MI, Windsor ON, or Houston TX which have a strong embedded interests, local advocacy in any and all areas without a strong embedded interest (literally anywhere else) could shift the economy away from “orphan crushing machines” without the input of these parties.
Then once the “rest of the world” has options beyond driving, these regions with embedded interests would have less to lose from embracing alternatives as well. I think about it like the US campaign in the Pacific in WWII: occupy the regions which the Japanese empire needs to run their war machine BEFORE engaging with the mainland.
The journey will be long and challenging with many set backs and failures, but by showing up everyday and fighting we can achieve victories.
Automobile manufacturers could switch to manufacturing bicycles?
Advocate for bike lanes in your community and they may :)
