This was another very difficult question I had to ask my interview subjects,
especially the leftists from Southeast Asia and Latin America. When we
would get to discussing the old debates between peaceful and armed
revolution; between hardline Marxism and democratic socialism, I would
ask: “Who was right?”
In Guatemala, was it Árbenz or Che who had the right approach? Or in
Indonesia, when Mao warned Aidit that the PKI should arm themselves,
and they did not? In Chile, was it the young revolutionaries in the MIR
who were right in those college debates, or the more disciplined,
moderate Chilean Communist Party?
Most of the people I spoke with who were politically involved back
then believed fervently in a nonviolent approach, in gradual, peaceful,
democratic change. They often had no love for the systems set up by
people like Mao. But they knew that their side had lost the debate,
because so many of their friends were dead. They often admitted, without
hesitation or pleasure, that the hardliners had been right. Aidit’s
unarmed party didn’t survive. Allende’s democratic socialism was not
allowed, regardless of the détente between the Soviets and Washington.
Looking at it this way, the major losers of the twentieth century
were those who believed too sincerely in the existence of a liberal
international order, those who trusted too much in democracy, or too
much in what the United States said it supported, rather than what it
really supported – what the rich countries said, rather than what they
did.
I have been weighing reading this book but I am apprehensive that it is just going to be unrelentingly depressing with no further takeaway than “here is all the times the capitalist system won, and here are how many it killed”
Kind of? I found it more…not sure what the word is, filled me with a sense of “this is what they will do (the capitalists), there is no level they want stoop to, which means we have to stop them.” It more made me angry at capitalists than sad about failed revolutions.
But either way it’s important to read and educate yourself on why certain movements failed, in order to avoid making the same mistakes.
(And seeing your other comment, I’m in the same boat, weapons are borderline impossible to get in my country, but that doesn’t mean it’s truly impossible, it’s only impossible if you’re playing by the rules the capitalists set specifically to try and prevent you from defending yourself and others.)
Yeah, it isn’t something I look forward to, but I wouldn’t trust anyone who is eager for revolution. It’s going to be awful and bloody, but the capitalists leave us with no choice other than revolution or complete subjugation.
—Vincent Bevins, The Jakarta Method
I have been weighing reading this book but I am apprehensive that it is just going to be unrelentingly depressing with no further takeaway than “here is all the times the capitalist system won, and here are how many it killed”
Am I off base?
Kind of? I found it more…not sure what the word is, filled me with a sense of “this is what they will do (the capitalists), there is no level they want stoop to, which means we have to stop them.” It more made me angry at capitalists than sad about failed revolutions.
But either way it’s important to read and educate yourself on why certain movements failed, in order to avoid making the same mistakes.
(And seeing your other comment, I’m in the same boat, weapons are borderline impossible to get in my country, but that doesn’t mean it’s truly impossible, it’s only impossible if you’re playing by the rules the capitalists set specifically to try and prevent you from defending yourself and others.)
Me facing federal weapons charges:
Jk thank u for your perspective
Yeah, it isn’t something I look forward to, but I wouldn’t trust anyone who is eager for revolution. It’s going to be awful and bloody, but the capitalists leave us with no choice other than revolution or complete subjugation.
I mean you can still take away important information from all the times capitalism won
Can I do it for 300 pages without wanting to turn the first weapon I see on myself? That’s the question lol
Oh yeah, yourself will be the last person you want to be pointing a weapon at.