I live in Austria where every person is an organ donor and you have to opt-out of it. Even children are donors if their parents don’t opt them out. As a result, more than 99% of Austrians are organ donors. It never occurred to me that it could be the other way around.
Experts generally agree that requiring to people to opt-out significantly increases participation. Most people don’t care either way.
If I’ve kicked it I don’t see any reason my organs can’t help someone else
Opt-out is the best way. Greatly increases the supply of available organs but allows people not to participate if they don’t want to.
When I’m dead it won’t fucking matter what happens to my body because I’m dead. I won’t be there to care. If my body parts help people then that’s great!
I think that’s great. It’s incredibly selfish to not be an organ donor. The whole, “They will let me die to give my organs to someone important” argument is ludicrous.
They will let me die to give my organs to someone important” argument is ludicrous.
Really depends where you live and how your government treats you.
EDIT: Uighur genocide exists and yet people doubt this? Palestinian genocide? It’s very easy to not be a “citizen” in the eyes of the current ruling party.
I don’t think it’s ludicrous on the face of it. That’s basically what happens when an uninsured person dies from something that would have taken $10k to fix and an insured person gets their organs.
Doctors only get in trouble for letting someone die when that person has a medical right to the care that would have saved them. Even then there is leeway because whether someone has a medical right to that care is often something that depends on a doctor’s estimation of the situation, which means other doctors would have to testify against them for them to get in trouble. Which of course they’ll only do if they are sympathetic to the victim or unsympathetic towards the doctor and they know it won’t affect their career prospects too poorly.
So I wouldn’t be surprised if in Austria, ethnically MENA organ donors tended to die more often than ethnically MENA non-organ donors and this gap would be bigger than with ethnically European donors/non-donors (if that gap exists). Not even as some kind of conspiracy or malice aforethought, but as just a little bit of laziness here and there. Hell, not even laziness, just setting your boundaries for once and going home after only 2 hours of overtime instead of 2 hours and 15 minutes while ordering an extra test for that one patient who probably doesn’t even need it.
There is still the question whether you want to deprive someone of your organs for that small statistical increase in risk, if you’re even the sort of demographic that risks being dehumanized. And if you’re worried about malpractice, it’s much better to buddy up with a friend and agree to supervise the doctors and nurses whenever either of you is in the hospital. Most malpractice and medical mistakes are the sort of thing a lay person can catch with some attentiveness and internet searches.
Opt out seems fair.
You’re dead. You don’t need whatcha got anymore.
Organ donation just makes sense. If my organs can help someone else after I’m done with them then why not? What doesn’t make sense is that in states/places where abortion isn’t legal, corpses have more bodily autonomy than pregnant women
take 'em, i ain’t using 'em anymore!
I even wonder if the opt out is reasonable. I understand being sad, but “go ahead and die, I want worms to eat my {kid’s, wife’s, husband’s} kidney” is a weird thing to (implicitly) say.
It is as easy as going to any doctor and having it added to your file. No reason, just “I don’t want that”
I think people should be able to decide what happens to their remains after they die. I’m fine with automatic registration and the ability to opt out.
As long as it automatically disqualifies them from ever receiving a transplant.
If you raid my colony, your left kidney, right lung, and liver are mine. One Lemmings opinion.
Joke’s on you. I’m on dialysis because of my failed kidneys, I have fluid in my partially collapsed lungs, and… well… actually, my liver is alright for now, so I guess that might not be too bad for ya.
Looks like the rimworld community escaped containment.
My take is take what you want. I’ll be dead and will have no need for the organs.
Just take it.
I know it’s irrational, but there is a tiny voice in the back of my head going “what if the ancient Egyptians were right, and you’ll need your liver or eyes or whatever in the afterlife?” even though currently right now living and breathing I couldn’t tell you what my liver does for me other than I need it to stay living.
I live in Austria where every person is an organ donor and you have to opt-out of it. Even children are donors if their parents don’t opt them out. As a result, more than 99% of Austrians are organ donors. It never occurred to me that it could be the other way around.
Having a system like this is good, because “the other way around” does feasibly have room for them to ‘give up on you’ and harvest your organs. But living in a place where 99% of people will donate organs means there’s no room for this doubt.
I’m having trouble with trusting such a system…
I mean if a politician or some rich dude is in need of an organ that you happen to have… I don’t trust the doctors to not just… let you die…
Like in House of Cards…
I don’t trust it here in the US, I mean look at the politics… so corrupt.
And I definitely-definitely don’t trust this for China… the way my parents decribe their interactions with doctors in Mainland China… like the most sketchy people you could meet… I mean… these are the heathcare workers that would perform abortions against the mother’s will if the government told them to… (during the One Child Policy stuff…) so yeah they’d happily let you die if it meant some government official can get their organ. Nope. There’s no way people there would trust it… so much 碰瓷 (“broken vase” scams), low-trust society…
For the most part, I’m unconcerned. Especially in a country where organ donation is opt-out, there are plenty enough people dying already; the rich don’t need to kill me specifically for my liver. There’s another one floating around somewhere out there. Any potential corruption would take the form of the rich and powerful placing themselves at the top of the recipient list, a problem which is also reduced if organ donation is opt-out—more organs floating around means that even if the rich and powerful put themselves at the top of the list, more people will still get the organs they need.
Re: China, that’s a different situation entirely. I don’t think those forced abortions were opt-in or opt-out. The Chinese government doesn’t seem to give its subjects many opts at all
The best argument I have against that happening is that the people saving lives are not the people who manage the donor list. If you’re in a car accident and paramedics arrive, they see an injured person, and they treat the injuries. They don’t see the list of who needs an organ, they probably don’t even check your ID until theyve stabilized you. They will take you to the hospital, where someone else will attempt to stabilize you, or determine that you cannot be saved. And even then, they’ll send you to someone else to harvest the organs, and send those to someone else who determines where they are needed.
There is no single person who decides if your organs are worth more than your life. And if one person does try to make that call, there are a lot of others involved they may not let it happen, and acting out of procedure will raise a lot of questions.
Okay fine maybe for the US where the free press still seems to be okay (barely limping through)
In China… all info is controlled. They can sweep irregularities under the rug. Censorship…
I mean look at how they handled covid… they tried to jail doctors who tried to blow the whisle.
So I still wouldn’t okay an “opt out” system for China until they start becoming more transparent.
Possibly. I can’t speak to how things work over there, but you shouldn’t have to worry in the US.
