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- Former President Donald Trump recognized that the price of insulin is lower under President Joe Biden but still tried to take credit for it.
- Trump has lagged Biden on the issue of health care in recent voter surveys.
- Trump spent much of his term trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act, which covers roughly 45 million Americans, without offering an alternative health-care option.
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By November, Trump will have taken credit for every Biden accomplishment and millions of voters will believe it because they have the memories of goldfish.
That’s what happens when you have two brain cells fighting for third place and get your information from fox “news”.
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I knew that from reading it somewhere years ago. (Maybe a Straight Dope book?) But I couldn’t think of a better metaphor people would understand.
May flies. Those fuckers only live 6 days, I cannot imagine that evolution would select for memory retention with that short of a life span.
Not memories of goldfish, it’s just malice.
Not really, thanks for sharing!
What does that have to do with what I said?
What?
You’re commenting under an article that says Trump is taking credit for it.
You made a comment saying trump was going to take credit for all of Biden’s accomplishments…
And I showed you a link that says Trump did this first by executive order, Biden stopped it for years, and now people are bigving him credit for not obstructing it and saying it was his idea
How do you not understand how the headline, your comment, and that article aren’t connected?
It’s literally two steps of logic
See, the funny thing is that the article that OP posted that you clearly didn’t read already brought that up and put it into context that you didn’t.
If only you had read it.
So why did your comment imply trump lied?
Like, this is the one time he’s actually telling the truth…
If you were here in good faith, you would have admitted you didn’t read the original article that already mentioned your big gotcha.
So…
No explanation at all, and more accusations.
Great, have fun with that. It might be close enough to the line mods won’t delete your comments. But I sure as shit don’t want to read them anymore.
Enjoy the slow process of becoming exactly like a trump supporter. At least you got a headstart, like the first zombie in an apocalypse. You don’t have to watch others turn, you’re already there.
This is Republicanism at its core.
Fight everything.
Democrats pass it anyway, somehow.
Take all the credit for the nothing you did.
Even this core philosophy is stolen. 5 year old children have long held ownership and mastery of this technique.
“5 year old children”… Yeah, that sounds about right for the republican party.
Personally I’d say younger … like the terrible 2 age of “NO!” or 3-4 yr old “Why?”.
It always makes me laugh when Dems pass something and some Republican says something like “Americnas will benefit from this great thing we did” and that Republican is called out for voting against it.
From what I’ve read, and I’m happy to be corrected, what Trump tried to dictate through executive orders (that would get thrown out in courts), Biden lead Congress to actually write laws about.
From what actually happened…
Biden “struck it down” waited a couple years, and then when he stopped obstructing it, demanded we call him FDR
Biden did not “strike it down”, he halted all EOs not in effect so their administration can review them (see: the first paragraph of the linked article). Instead of re-issuing an EO, something that can be withdrawn on a whim (see: your post), Biden did the actual hard work of working with Congress to help pass the Inflation Reduction Act. The $35 cap is now backed by law rather than by diktat. Trump took the lazy path and issued the EO in the last days of his Presidency - a Presidency he spent quite a long time using to try and repeal the Affordable Care Act.
Try understanding the issue instead of spamming MAGA talking points.
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The issue is some people have become tricked I to thinking of you don’t like Biden then you have to support trump.
It’s an easy way for the wealthy to stop the country from moving left.
Instead of listening and thinking, you just scream “MAGA” if someone doesn’t say Biden is FDR.
The same shit trumpers do.
Likely all comes back to the conservative billionaire from WBs board saying he wants to make CNN more like Faux News. So the “moderates” act like Republicans.
Faux News was created to get republicans voters to the point where they’d never hold a Republican accountable…
It’s been two years, and the moderate CNN watchers are excusing genocide at our border, in the Middle East, and openly denying reality…
I can admit when I’m wrong, I didn’t think “moderates” would fall for it, I thought they’d just stop watching CNN.
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Mate, just read the article…
For Trump’s part, the former president signed an executive order in the last year of his administration to issue his own $35 price cap on insulin. Biden later paused that policy when he took office as part of a larger freeze to allow his administration to review new regulations set to go into effect.
If anyone is acting like trumpets, it’s the ones ignoring reality
He only capped it for 1750 patients for 1 year. Biden got it done for everyone
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Try understanding the issue instead of spamming MAGA talking points.
This is why the horseshoe theory is bullshit.
The far right wings of any party are similar. Like, if a Republican shit talks trump, or says what trump is saying isn’t true, they’re called a commie Biden supporter. If a Dem says something isn’t perfect with Biden, or mentions how what he’s saying isn’t true, “moderates” they’re called a fascist trump supporter.
Meanwhile, the bulk of potential voters are so far left, that neither party comes close to represent you.
Big corporations have you out here defending Biden, when we should be protesting him. Just because the only other option they put up for you, is even worse.
Not only did a disappointing amount of people fall for it, both groups are so smug about it for some reason.
Sit down and think about Biden as a candidate sometime, not just as “not trump” because literally every fucking person besides trump is also “not trump”.
Both parties don’t give a fuck about you, or what you want.
And Dems are fine stopping one of the only good things trump ever did, just so a few years later Biden can take credit for it.
Fucking embarrassing
So when proven wrong, rather than defend your point - you change the argument to both sides are the same? You have to see how disingenuous that makes you look. It’s arguing in bad faith it’s why people laugh at you and don’t take you seriously.
So when proven wrong
Where was I proven wrong?
trump did this, Biden paused it for years, and now people are giving Biden credit and saying trump never did it…
Moderate Dems have been acting like trumpets since 2016, but I never thought we’d get to this level of reality denial.
Which is why I mentioned WB buying CNN and their openly announced plan for it.
I didn’t think they could, but look at this shit
Per your own comments others comments, and the damn article, Trump didn’t do this. Trump took the easy way out and signed an EO. An EO that could be overturned or paused at any time. Biden did the hard work and got a law passed. Laws can’t just be overturned, in fact Jefferson was in favor of a 19 year sunset term on every law that wasn’t part of The Constitution, because laws are so hard to repeal he called it the tyranny of dead generations.
Maybe try to live up to your username, and pay attention when multiple people spell out for you your erroneous feelings with the actual facts?
Trump didn’t do this. Trump took the easy way out and signed an EO. An EO that could be overturned or paused at any time.
Cool, so far you’re good
But why did Biden pause it for years, then codify it (apparently, I keep being told Biden has nothing to do with that so stop asking him to).
We don’t even get into why if he did this, he can’t do anything else.
Why did he pause probably the only good thing trump did to codify it? Why was that one of Biden’s first acts?
Why not let Trump’s EO ride until it was passed by law?
Like, you just said:
An EO that could be overturned or paused at any time.
But why did Biden have to pause that almost immediately after assuming office?
Biden is the most progressive president in the last 50 years. I dare you to name a better president in that time frame. Lmao.
What kind of question is that?
Obama and Bill Clinton where both more progressive than Biden…
Tell us you know nothing about politics without telling us you know nothing about politics…
While the Final Rule implementing EO 13937 was intended to increase access to affordable insulin and epinephrine, it did not fully understand FQHC operations and 340B Program mechanics, nor did it consider the possible negative consequences. If the Final Rule is implemented, it will do more harm than good in terms of ensuring access to care and medications for underserved populations
Fucking troll gtfo, or you a bot?
That’s the beauty of faith-based political identity. If you believe that Trump gave you cheap insulin in 2024, or that Biden caused the Covid crisis a year before his inauguration, the causal impossibility can be explained away as one of the ineffable mysteries of faith.
This is getting pretty fucking ridiculous. Either Donald Trump is a complete liar (ok, that’s a given) or he’s absolutely demented (ok, I guess both are given).
This is one tactic Trump often uses where he takes credit for things he didn’t even support and then receives no real pushback for it.
Nothing is too low for pond scum
uhh…
the insulin price cap was instituted at the end of trumps term via executive order. I remember because a family member was overjoyed by it.
when biden took office, the incoming regime stopped all the previous regime’s executive orders for three months. it happened a couple of days before the insulin price cap was supposed to take effect.
it’s not exactly weird to try to take credit for something you did and someone else rebranded as their own thing.
the article linked in the OP says as much, way down at the bottom after talking up how good the insulin price cap is and how polling on healthcare supports biden.
i don’t usually end up in a thread saying “hey wait a second, trump actually did do that!” but dang.
Ok so I looked it up cause I’ll give credit where credit is due.
Trump did start the lower cost of insulin train, but when he started it was only for “1,750 standalone Medicare Part D prescription drug plans and Medicare Advantage plans.” ^(1)
So yeah I guess he started it, but Biden actually did it with his Inflation Reduction Act, which Democratic lawmakers pushed through Congress in 2022. ^(2) (3)
(2) https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/01/politics/insulin-price-cap
Im no fan of the trump regime, but you can’t say that having a signed executive order with a hhs rule implementation ready to go with a date and everything is “starting” it.
That’s literally finishing it but then having an uno reverse pulled before the awards ceremony.
Except the award wasnt gonna go to trump, but instead to Medicare part d recipients.
Also while expanding the cap to part b fifteen months later is good, part b covers the pumps and stuff, not the epipens and insulin themselves, which are covered by part d.
I’m open to being wrong about it, but I can’t find any documentation that executive order 13937 went back into effect after the Biden regimes 60 day freeze on all trump regime eos expired.
Like I said above, I’m open to being wrong, but this seems like a big L for dems…
E: sp, grammar.
Wow holy shit, that’s kind of a 180 on the whole article… I hate the news so much for this shit.
This is Biden taking credit for Bernie Sanders’ insulin price cap.
And biden took credit for the $600 stimulus checks before he took office. Politicians are dishonest. Every single one.
During his campaign biden promised $2000 stimulus checks. Once he finally delivered the checks they were only $1400.
Instead of acting like a responsible adult and apologizing for the shortage, he decided to lie and gaslight saying that $1400 was what he promised because if you count the $600 checks that he had nothing to do with and add them you get the $2000 he promised.
He did…
And as soon as Biden came I to office, he froze what trump had done, and then after a couple years out it back I to effect.
Like, that’s a real thing that happened. And it’s concerning people apparently forgot.
In the first few days of his 2021 term, U.S. President Joe Biden was quick to issue nearly a dozen executive orders aimed at reversing many of the policies of former President Donald Trump, from rejoining the World Health Organization to recommitting the U.S. to the Paris climate accord. And, as the 46th president took pen to paper, he required that all federal rules pending review that were submitted under the previous administration be frozen for at 60 days — among them, one aimed at reducing the cost of insulin and EpiPens.
Why would it be concerning? He replaced an executive order with actual law.
givesomefucks doesn’t give a fuck about facts.
Why you keep lyin bro
Lying about what?
trump did it, at the same $35/month limit
Biden stopped trumps executive order, and years later codified it
So what was the point of the pause? Why didn’t Biden keep the executive order till it was codified?
I have no idea why people keep saying I lied.
I have no idea why people keep saying I lied.
Self-awareness is something you have to work at. I would suggest you start now, before it’s too late.
So. You can’t say how I lied either?
You just heard something you don’t like, and it’s a lie, but you can’t explain how…
May I ask how much of your news comes from CNN?
And if you were aware that it’s been years since the new buyers publicly said their goal was to create emotional and uninformed habitual viewers like Faux News has?
I got this theory, but I need some data. And don’t just want to make assumptions.
20 hours a week? Or do you just leave it on throughtout the day already?
Kinda like you with your faux givesomefucks.
This is maybe the 5th time I’ve seen you post something that’s either willfully deceptive or just flat-out dumb. A while back I tagged you so you’re easy to spot.
https://factcheck.afp.com/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped-biden
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-biden-administration-delays-165221028.html
