Remember: no Republicans are arguing Trump didn’t break the law.
They’re arguing he shouldn’t be punished for it.
They’re arguing he shouldn’t be punished for it
They are really arguing that all Republicans shouldn’t be punished but if you aren’t in the club you get the full blast of the law.
law blast
It’s what justice craves.
yes it’s called Fascism
Yea I think he has to be found guilty of the crime to be pardoned, right?
No. Nixon was never charged, but he was pardoned.
I think you have to admit guilt? Which is bullshit because the purpose of a pardon isnt to get guilty people off but to act as a check against judicial power. I’m not sure though.
Nope.
A pardon stops all punishment from the judicial system. You don’t have to plead guilty and criminal proceedings stop. A pardon further undoes any legal handicap (for example, you can own firearms again).
That said, if you accept a pardon you can’t plead the fifth when it comes to details related to the crime you’ve committed.
There’s also a commutation, which is weaker than a pardon. Instead of having the crime fully forgiven you are simply let out of jail with the understanding you committed the crime and must face follow up consequences (like not being able to own firearms).
Finally, there are also conditional pardons. Those are ones where the president could impose a “you must plead guilty” style rule before the pardon can be applied. He could also apply a rule that says “you must perform 10 jumping jacks”.
Pardon powers are some of the most broad we have in the US.
About the only limitation is you can’t pardon for future crimes.
About the only limitation is you can’t pardon for future crimes.
Yeah, you really want Roberts’ SCOTUS to rule on that?
Roberts’
Damnit, that’s what I typed but I guess it got autocorrected. Thanks!
Thank you.
Maybe, maybe not
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I think you’re remembering some instance where a pardon can expose the recipient to civil liability. Or at least it was theorized it might…
Bannon, stone or one of them.
Bruh I don’t know what I remember
Ford was, based on the behavior of the Reagan, W Bush, and Trump administrations, entirely wrong to pardon Nixon. There is no reason to repeat his mistake.
And there ya go groveling to your orange master, Romney. What a spineless bitch.
Well, not that we needed one, but I really appreciate you giving us a reminder for why we should never ever make you president, Mittens. It’s very thoughtful of you.
Don’t worry, at some point he’ll say one normal thing and people will remark on how he’s so reasonable compared to the others.
It is true, though. If he were to run for president, he’d be the best candidate the Republican party has put forward in 2 decades. And he’s still a gigantic piece of shit.
The smallest coil of shit turned out onto the chests of voters in decades!
You certainly have a way with words, my friend.
Flame wars must be, while we defend our lives against a butthole who would devour all; but I do not love the quip for its sharpness, nor the meme for its oddly specific irony, nor the troll for his lulz; I love only that which they defend
There’s a Netflix documentary called “Mitt” that follows him and his family throughout his 2012 run. I took two things away:
- It helped humanize Mitt a lot, such as loving a beat up, old pair of winter gloves
- I’m glad he was never President, and should never be President
He has a punch card that Moscow Mitch gave him. He gets to say 1 reasonable thing every 3 months and punch the card every time. Once the card is full he gets his Russian check for doing his duty to make the party look normal and reasonable without ever having to vote reasonably. If he actually votes reasonably he has to give the card back and can’t get his check.
Romney again trying to ride both dicks at the same time.
I, for one, am sick of this whole “Oh lets pardon the past president to protect the institution of presidency”
Presidents should not be above the law. They are not gods, they are not kings, they are elected as representatives.
especially when the one in question turned the white house into a goddamn criminal enterprise
Seriously, I don’t know why so many people get this wrong!
We give guns to our cops to enforce the laws, and we should have higher expectations for the handling of their weapon than random schmuck off the street licensed gun owner.
We give the military and various other resources and powers to the President to execute the laws. They should also be held to an even higher standard! A bad guy as President can do a million times as much damage than they can as a cop.
Agree. These people are given the public trust. betraying the public trust should result in severe punishment. More severe than a random schmuck doing the same act, cause that random schmuck wasnt given the public trust and the power of authority.
But then the people who want to use that public trust for personal gain won’t want to run for office! Then what!?!
I know you are joking, but you have no idea how many times i’ve heard legitimate arguments like that…especially with regards to police.
I, for one, am sick of this whole “Oh lets pardon the past president to protect the institution of presidency”
You know how we protect the institution of the presidency? We stop having presidents that break the law.
Agreed. I too am so sick of this ass-kissing authoritarian BS. They’re not kings. They served in an office and now they’re out. They’re humans FFS.
Maybe the ex-president shouldn’t have been such a criminal, Mitt.
Mitt Romney is an idiot
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Welcome to Lemmy, new account!
I guess we shouldn’t allow any more new people to start commenting.
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Have a cookie.
We absolutely should!
How is welcoming someone for being new a bad thing?
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And this guy is supposed to be the “moderate” GOP. Crooks and liars all the way down their bones.
Just when you thought he wasn’t half bad.
Anybody who thought that was half stupid.
Shut up romney.
I can see discussion if he committed crimes related to being in office, that time was past, and we wanted the country to move forward, but none of that is true. Trump is finally facing justice for crimes throughout hiss adult life and he’s trying to skip justice to gain the presidency. This is not the Nixon situation. Even worse, Romney reasons it “to be a bigger man”, wtf, this isn’t just play acting as part of the presidential campaign
And pardoning Nixon just set the stage for Republicans continuing to commit crimes while or in order to get into office.
If you want to see how bad stuff gets for someone constantly trying to stay in power to avoid jail time, all you have to do is look at Netanyahu
Biden can’t pardon state crimes.
Presidents should be prosecuted for crimes. They are not Kings and Queens.
Hell, kings and queens should be prosecuted for crimes
Louis XVI was prosecuted and found guilty of high treason and crimes against the state by the National Convention during the French revolution, so it does happen from time to time.
They are not Kings and Queens
I understand the sentiment, but I hate this phrase. If any of the e.g. Scandinavian royals would exhibit this kind of behaviour and lawlessness, the monarchy would be dismantled in a heartbeat. It’s mostly for show, and the monarchy only exists for as long as the people want it to.
Well, Trump could just try not being a criminal if they care so much about prosecuting an ex-president
When you think the law doesn’t apply to you then of course you’d think you can do anything you wanted and never be a criminal.
