Image text: “Fact: 90% of Linux users switch back to windows right before all their problems are about to be fixed”

  • the16bitgamer@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    This is true, I wanted to play a game and it looked broken in Linux. When I went back to Windows I discovered that it was a problem with the game. Then I went back to Linux and it ran better than it did in Windows.

    Typical Ubisoft experience.

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      8 months ago

      I still boot to windows every now and then to play games. But each time windows painfully reminds me why I hate it

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        8 months ago

        I have never liked Windows. Unix workstations or linux pretty much since the mid 80’s. My current pet peeve is companies that block email clients except Outlook from connecting to their mail server (Exchange).

  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Actually more like a self fulfilling prophesy

    IMO many will leave Linux just before finding the fix!

    I had tried dual boot but kept going back to windows because i knew how to do things there without having to mess with anything

    Its only after i removed windows altogether and only ran Mint, that i was forced to seriously look for solutions. Once you do find them though, you dont need to mess around with anything that much any more

    • agent_flounder@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      “When he reached the New World, Cortezh burned hish ships. Ash a reshult hish men were well motivated.” —Capt. Ramius, played by Sean Connery in The Hunt for Red October

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      8 months ago

      A suggestion for everyone that’s kinda new, and to be honest, grizzled vets too… Use chatgpt as a trouble shooting tool. It’s really surprising how good it is sometimes. I’ve had it write bash scripts in minutes, solve obscure Firefox issues, fix game settings for barely compatible games… So many things

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          8 months ago

          Not very accessible, in the vast majority of (troubleshooting, nothing private) cases free gpt is the best option (fast, free, openAI training on that chat might even be beneficial to the community). Decent GPU’s for LLM are stupid pricey.

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            8 months ago

            NixOS is semi-immutable but not really designed to be user friendly. I think we are more talking about Universal Blue, Fedora SilberBlur, OpenSUSE microOS, VanillaOS and so on.

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              8 months ago

              Tbh I’m pretty new to nixos, but I’m starting to believe if we had that the exact same config (at least without flakes, I’m still having trouble undertanding them) but with a slightly abstracted UI, it would be one of the most user-friendly distros out there.

              Like just imagine being able to click “Add program”, write the name of a program, having all the options appear below as dropdown menus or on/off switches, then click big blue button “Apply” to rebuild.

  • taiyang@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I mean, if you duel boot, it’s just a matter of time until Windows nukes your other OS. At least with me, my Linux was about to solve world peace, but Windows got wind of that and shut it the fuck down.

    Meme is correct, they’re coming for you.

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      8 months ago

      Windows basically never nukes the actual linux install. It DOES like breaking the bootloader though. Which is fixable but still deeply annoying.

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        8 months ago

        Ah damn this is exactly what happened a few days ago. My popos boot entry suddenly disappeared. I can still just boot from the physical ssd it’s installed on, but I found it strange it just pooped out somehow. Any pointers on how to fix it?

    • Grass@sh.itjust.works
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      8 months ago

      I almost wanted to correct you and say its dual not duel, but when I think about it windows will fight to be the only bootloader right when you think its finally behaving.

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        8 months ago

        Wanted to say the same: the typo made the comment better. There has to be a community for this.

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      8 months ago

      Reminded me how Windows would set the hardware clock to different timezone that Linux uses, can’t remember which.

      It would make my blood boil, that’s when I decided to never boot it again. 100% Linux everywhere, I get it on routers when I can.

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        8 months ago

        Windows sets the hardware clock to local time, Linux sets it to UTC. It’s possible to tell one to respect the others preference

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    8 months ago

    Every child should be introduced to linux. Will help them understand better they don’t need to be treated as products and certainly make them more computer literate, and hopefully more security conscious.

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      8 months ago

      But to be honest, not every child is technologically-inclined. Most are just gonna get annoyed and hate it. This is not a good idea.

      I’d have loved it as a child though

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          8 months ago

          Was introduced as a teen. Recently even looked back at my book from the times and it had a whole goddamn chapter with linux propaganda.

          Hated it. Felt like high maintenance windows. No reason to even get near. Also, hated it doubly because nobody asked.

          Best way would be to switch school computers to linux. That way there’s no active part - it’s here, you have to use it anyway, deal with it. Then you can taste it neutrally, and it becomes just a quirk. Quirk some may like.

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            8 months ago

            Linux doesn’t have to be high maintenance though. Definitely not more high maintenance than Windows for basic use cases.

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              8 months ago

              It doesn’t have to, but for most users on the level of teens/kids it is. You wanna do something in windows? Done. Just done. No problems whatsoever, most devs bend over backwards for compatibility. Meanwhile finding shit for linux is pain. Most things you heard of are not even there. You have to go through weird apps just to run things you’re used to, and meanwhile OS asks weird questions like which graphic driver to install,

              Linux changed a whole lot from the time I was introduced to it, and it became reaaaaally close to being as easy to use as windows. Hell, I even was considering switching to Mint some time ago ( Then bricked my boot. Thrice. And it’s not fault of Linux. I think. ). I like how it looks and feels, and with proton and stuff it’s best time to do so but it still isn’t on the same level of being non-problematic as windows.

              Edit: Cannot talk about Win 11. Touched it once. If I need to upgrade, fuck that, going linux. Not worth it. At all.

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                8 months ago

                Not really most detect the graphics card automatically, unless you are on Nvidia in which case you probably built the thing anyway or are a PC gamer which would know that anyway.

                Windows isn’t as easy to use and tends to break if given to the computer illiterate from viruses, not doing updates, not rebooting, and so on. I’ve dealt with these kinds of people, they are better off with Linux Mint, ChromeOS, or similar as it doesn’t have these issues. If you are talking about mac then yeah it’s easier, you have an argument there. I would point out as well that most of the easy to use devices run Linux, like Android and ChromeOS devices.

                Windows 11 is the new default, so that’s what we are comparing to here.

                Dual boots on a single drive and EFI partition are expected to break at this point. This is because Microsoft like to overwrite the Linux boot loader. You should use a separate drive or at least a different EFI partition. REFIND can be helpful too. Dual boots have always been an advanced use case though.

                • Demdaru@lemmy.world
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                  8 months ago

                  Most people who don’t know their stuff uses nvidia. Happily slowly changing, but nvidia is everywhere, at least where I live. And people who don’t know stuff still hold onto “green good, red hot and bad”.

                  How do you break Windows except by downloading malware? It literally hides, or rather masquarades it’s settings from you and makes it hard to do anything bad to it. My grandpa uses Windows - I thought about introducing him to linux to breathe second life into his PC but…I doubt he would be able to do much with it. I cede point towards Android.

                  How is Win 11 new default? I may be out of the loop, but is it now majorly used? If so, I cede all because the only time I tried to use it, goddamn first-time registration died on me. Like, fully. Unfixable. What a mess.

                  And yeah, again, the boot bricking isn’t on linux it’s just me being an idiot. Also I love how fast you picked up how I broke the boot.

  • Usernamealreadyinuse@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Ok so I am probably gonna curse in the Linux church but please enlighten me

    I have one laptop with windows 10 for the simple stuff: internet, movie, ms office. It functions perfectly. Yes it needs a reboot sometimes. I don’t understand what people are saying about how terrible ms in regard for easy users.

    I mean I get it that it probably using my data, which would be actually enough to change.

    However: all these post about how easy it is to fix stuff in Linux (and thus saying it is not working properly)… Keeps me in ms.

    What are you guys doing that needs so much tinkering that needs to be fixed constantly?

  • caustictrap@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I am never going to install linux on my gaming pc. It is too much work if you are into multiplayer/live service games. Windows just works if you uninstall all the ms crap.

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        8 months ago

        In terms of stability and packages, it’s an amazing OS. Gone are the days of being afraid that of updates or system upgrades that might leave your system borked. Unless you’re experimenting with filesystems and boot parameters, it’s not straightforward to fuck things up.

        On the flipside, by Linus is it difficult to get things working as a beginner. Good luck packaging new stuff, good luck creating new options, good luck cross-compiling, good luck configuring stuff with hardcoded config paths in /var/ or whatever, actually good luck understanding how to configure existing packages, good luck getting any kind of PR merged without the say-so of a chosen few, good luck changing anything in the community without getting past the gatekeepers, and have fun understanding why some random package is being installed and/or compiled when you switch to a new configuration.

        Anti Commercial-AI license