The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers

The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.

  • ravhall@discuss.online
    8720·
    3 months ago

    With all this stuff about Jill coming out, it’s no wonder all the Lemmy.ml and Hexbears are so supportive of her. She’s a Russian asset!

    What is the Russian word for Wumao?

    • logos@sh.itjust.works
      212·
      3 months ago

      It could just be she made a career out of unsucessfully running for president and doesn’t care where the money came from.

      That’s supposedly how the whole Trump mess started.

      • ravhall@discuss.online
        173·
        3 months ago

        You mean him just wanting to make money by running for president never actually expecting to run and regretting every minute of it while trying to be so vile he could never get elected again only to realize that’s what his base wants?

    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
      1132·
      3 months ago

      Are you confusing the Green candidate, Jill Stein with Claudia De la Cruz, the PSL candidate?

      She does deserve praise for taking the correct stance regarding Gaza, but the general consensus of the Greens as a whole is that they’re useless because unlike PSL, they don’t organize between elections.

        • basmatii@lemm.eeEnglish
          812·
          3 months ago

          She’s more anti Israel than quite literally every single member of the dem party.

            • basmatii@lemm.eeEnglish
              618·
              3 months ago

              No, she’s not. I’m not sure when you people became indistinguishable from magats but man I hope some of you at least start to pretend to be normal like you guys almost did during Obama’s first run.

            • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
              98·
              3 months ago

              What do you expect her to do? Try to tackle Netanyahu into the Irish Embassy so he can be arrested and set to the Hague?

              • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
                51·
                3 months ago

                She could just have the police grab him. And, yes, hold him in jail until he gets a date for transfer to the Hague.

                • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                  38·
                  3 months ago

                  She wants to stop the genocide in Gaza, making both the candidates look bad by openly opposing it pressures them to make their policy less dogshit. If winning was more important to democrats than genocide, they’d drop the genocide. Sadly, it seems they’d rather lose the election than stop the genocide.

      • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
        315·
        3 months ago

        Of course they organize between elections. Just because the news doesn’t cover it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. They have parties in local office doing work year round

    • John Richard@lemmy.world
      1685·
      3 months ago

      I’m not saying she’s not a Russian asset, anyone could be including the people spreading this rumor with no supporting evidence. It’s become a joke online that Democrats will now call anyone they disagree with a Russian asset.

      For some reason, on one hand Democrats will claim that peace negotiations between Israel & Palestine are a good thing, but how dare she say that peace negotiations between Ukraine & Russia are important too.

      Jill Stein has called Putin a war criminal while Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).

      • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
        463·
        3 months ago

        When did “Dick” Cheney campaign for Harris? He said he was voting for her rather than the felon. That’s it. Liz Cheney is the one who spoke at a Harris campaign, not her father.

        • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
          528·
          3 months ago

          He didn’t. And Stein refused to say Putin is a war criminal. John Richard is in here lying through his teeth.

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            1144·
            3 months ago

            Yeah, you’re wrong and spreading misinformation like the average cultist.

            https://www.instagram.com/drjillstein/p/DAHhwbTSG2p/

            There are multiple articles showcasing where she has, but what you won’t find is a single article of Genocide Joe or Kamala calling Netanyahu a war criminal. They’re saying… You did such a good job killing all those women and children Netanyahu, here is a $8.7 billion dollar thank you check.

            • egrets@lemmy.world
              2810·
              3 months ago

              Genocide Joe

              Where have I seen this playground terminology before? Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable, but a Stein apologist using Trump’s own puerile rhetoric raises an eyebrow.

              • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                711·
                3 months ago

                Are you suggesting Trump would ever attack Biden for facilitating a genocide in Gaza? They agree on that policy!

              • John Richard@lemmy.world
                928·
                3 months ago

                Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable

                So then don’t do it. Don’t lie for Joe & Kamala by attacking anyone who says something negative, even when true.

                Kamala has some good qualities in addition to her bad statements on the Palestine & the Middle East situation. The only way Democrats will change their bad qualities is if people stop sugarcoating the truth for them.

                Calling people Russian agents that call out the cultist & attack dogs for Democrats does nothing to help them or the party. It only makes you and them seem as fanatical & unhinged as Republicans calling every Democrat a commie.

      • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
        376·
        3 months ago

        Lol your defense of her is “anyone could be a Russian asset!” is like a textbook denial list. What’s the next stage?

        • John Richard@lemmy.world
          752·
          3 months ago

          The next stage is for you to call me a Russian agent for saying something you don’t like. Textbook denialism would be you presenting facts showing she is loyal to Russia, or working intentionally on their behalf, and then me denying it. Thus far your “evidence” is a Salon article with a headline that doesn’t even represent the story and makes baseless accusations.

          • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
            315·
            3 months ago

            Nah you’re just a lier, that’s all.
            I didn’t realize I presented evidence of anything, but ok.

            • John Richard@lemmy.world
              739·
              3 months ago

              You haven’t. That’s my point is that the blue MAGA cultists here are claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it. They’re mad that facts don’t support their feelings.

              • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                293·
                3 months ago

                claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it.

                Everyone in this photo works for Putin and were there at the behest of Putin. Two Americans are in this photo. One was put in jail for a while because they lied about working for foreign actors, least of which is Russia. I’ll leave it to you to see who the other one is.

                All this evidence of Stein actively using GOP (and thus Russia) aligned assets/money and refusing to denounce Russia in any capacity until forced, only further drives nails in the coffin.

                Take a hike.

                • John Richard@lemmy.world
                  624·
                  3 months ago

                  LOL… you got your 4chan QANON proof right there. A photo with little arrows without any facts or evidence that Jill Stein works for Putin. Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal. It’s really rich that you demand politicians call out war criminals, but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal. You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.

                  You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician, and this picture is nothing more than you desperately trying to paint a narrative without any supporting facts. You don’t even attempt to provide facts, but instead hope that most users will be a desperate as you are to ignore them thinking it will somehow make Trump lose.

                  Just like the lap dogs that were here after the debate between Biden & Trump saying Biden did amazing and sounded sharp as a tack. Need I remind you, Biden was losing to Trump at that time in the polls by over 4 points and was on pace to cause Democrats to lose the House & Senate. Your way of helping almost cost Democrats chances of winning in 2024.

                  Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.

                  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg/1280px-Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg

                  • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                    153·
                    3 months ago

                    Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.

                    …You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician,

                    Incorrect equivalency, invalid argument. The difference there is Biden is the elected President of the United States. It is quite literally HIS JOB to meet with foreign heads of state, including Putin. I don’t suspect him of collaborating when he has public meetings with a foreign power. Hell, I don’t even suspect Trump when he had those meetings because it was unfortunately also his job. it was all the other shady shit we learn about and pro-Putin comments he’s made.
                    Stein is an unelected nobody with less than zero power in the US, except for the fact that she participates in and disrupts American elections. She has NO rights as an American citizen to be discussing anything with a foreign power that may be related to elections or policy or relations, which I guarantee she did at that dinner table. This is called the Logan Act, and she is an unauthorized representative.

                    Again, let me repeat this. SHE IS NOT A POLITICIAN, SHE IS AN UNELECTED CANDIDATE. SHE HAS ZERO RIGHT TO BE INTERACTING WITH ANY FOREIGN POWER IN ANY CAPACITY.

                    Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal.

                    After weaseling around the word for over 5 minutes in an interview, both-sidesing it the entire time, then releasing a half hearted press release the day after as damage control. Such a transparently obvious agenda that had to get “approved” before posting, it’s painful.

                    but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal.

                    Words in my mouth, not relevant. I absolutely think Netanyahu is a war criminal and should be called as much, but we aren’t talking about him right now are we? Just had to make stuff up that I didn’t say.

                    You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.

                    Correct, but he called them out on it and actively rejected any of their support.. Stein has made no such public rejection of their support. Also, maybe this should make you think really long and hard about why Russia might also want to support Stein and Trump this time around?

                    No offense, but this thread is over, because I am not going to waste any more time arguing with a bad-faith brick wall who is only here to spread misinformation. The outlined points above are for everyone else on the Fediverse. Have a nice work week!

        • John Richard@lemmy.world
          621·
          3 months ago

          I don’t really know how to respond to that since you put “dick” in lowercase. If you want to conflate campaign with, with tour with, then by all means go read a dictionary. But if you want to see videos of Harris praising Dick Cheney, thanking him for his support & his service to this country, claiming, that he represents a “healthy” two-party system, then I can send you videos of the campaign events where she’s touring around with his daughter while she makes those statements.

            • basmatii@lemm.eeEnglish
              314·
              3 months ago

              Do you often make arguments up in your own head so you can feel like you won?

              • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
                104·
                3 months ago

                I don’t. But you sure do lol.

                Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).

                When pressed you people turn Dick into his daughter. It’s pretty entertaining watching you flail around so much. Please , go on.
                🍿

                • basmatii@lemm.eeEnglish
                  412·
                  3 months ago

                  So you never actually read any responses and just went with whatever narrative fit your world view? Seems sad. Anyway Google Harris dick Cheney and pick your favorite propaganda outlet, even Fox says it’s real and a step towards biaprtisanship that hurts trump somehow

            • John Richard@lemmy.world
              617·
              3 months ago

              Cheney endorses Kamala… starts speaking out against Trump, and Kamala starts praising Dick Cheney saying he’s one of the good ones and then goes on tour with Liz Cheney his daughter who has never renounced her father’s war crimes. Yeah, okay… totally, that is normal to have a war criminal endorse you and then boast about it and praise them afterwards.

              • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
                104·
                3 months ago

                Uh huh, anyways. Let’s see those campaign photos or videos of Dick Chaney with Harris.
                We’ll wait.

                • John Richard@lemmy.world
                  615·
                  3 months ago

                  Again, pick up a dictionary. Campaigning together doesn’t mean that they have to be seen together. It can be Dick Cheney doing public interviews saying how he’s voting for Harris, while Harris is praising him saying:

                  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7S-Sk2TbdjE

                  And that she’s honored to have their endorsement:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVoSdUHw5I

                  My favorite is the lady standing behind her while she calls Dick Cheney a leader who is well respected with wide eyes like “Kamala, why are you so stupid to say that and do it in front of me?!?”

                  • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
                    74·
                    3 months ago

                    That’s ok John. Your favorite tune is obviously 🎶Movin’ the Goalposts 🎶

      • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        105·
        3 months ago

        Is it any different than a socialist that accuses anyone that disagrees with them of being a genocide supporter?

        • Maeve@midwest.social
          28·
          3 months ago

          I mean if you keep funding genocide to the tune of billions when kids can’t eat at school and veterans are homeless, it’s not not supporting genocide.

          • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
            42·
            3 months ago

            Tell us you have no idea how any of this works after it’s been already been explained to you a thousand times without telling us you have no idea how any of this works after it’s been already been explained to you a thousand times.

            The “funding of genocide” as you call it is actually an agreement that the US has had with Israel for decades. And unless you know exactly what that agreement details, and have a firm understanding of how nuanced diplomacy works outside of video games, I’d suggest that instead of being a smart-ass on the internet about things you don’t understand- you read up on how it all works.

            Because it Is in NO WAY supporting genocide to continue a pact agreed upon. And if you think the US can just cancel that- you REALLY need to brush up on how this shit actually works in the real world.

            It’s VERY complicated.

            NPR had leading experts on this exact thing a few mornings ago. Even they said when asked why the US continues to uphold this agreement- that it isn’t easy to get out of these things without escalating the situation.

            So unless you know more about this than they do- maybe stop arguing with everyone when they tell you you’re wrong.