This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid. Their sole responsibility within any org unlucky enough to be saddled with these useless dead weight should be moving heavy boxes from point A to point B and even then they might fuck that up somehow.
This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid.
I’m not entirely convinced. I think the people who supported Platner are more likely to be compromised than stupid. Hasan for example has spent literally years upon years diverting people who were ostensibly moving left and convincing them to vote democrat. Even if he had legitimate left wing politics at some point, that point is far behind him now.
A lot of them are both compromised and fools. Idk if Hasan is also a fool or just compromised. I’m inclined to say also a fool because even a vet apologist could have seen Platner as being a liability far beyond the typical smol bean proud veteran and taken any of several offramps to more openly disavow him.
Yep. Smart compromised people would be on the “Platner is a Nazi goon” wagon from day 1 so they can reap their leftist cred harvest when the campaign inevitably and predictably collapses.
Hasan has simply found his niche and is growing within it. If he abandoned unprincipled electoralism he would have less to speak about that’s relevant to the news articles and videos he comes across live on stream and have no chance of being invited to electoralist events to do solo pundit things.
He may understand this as maximizing his relevance and bringing people left through it, but of course that’s the exact same logic of opportunism and tailism. Supporting a war criminal Nazi settles the debate of which it is, lol.
Hasan has always openly been a reformist when it comes to American politics, despite happily platforming MLs and doing theory sessions. He has mentioned many times in the past that this has always been a sticking point with people further to his left with him.
Meh, his class character changed and he is now acting in the interests of his new class. Makes him a piece of shit but not necessarily a traitor. He has joined the bourgeoisie and now acts for them… Not exactly treachery;)
Engels already told us what “people” like Hasan were in 1892. They speculate on the discontent of the lower classes in order to sell them out to one of the big parties afterward.
I commented this else where but I really think it is just electoralism brainworms where you always have to vote for someone and in this case on paper Platner’s policies were what they wanted to see over the other person. Since its only about the election and the policies to these people, they are forced to ignore the glaring issues with Platner because the election is happening anyway, someone has to run, and the only other person was a zionist. they have an extremely myopic worldview where they need to win as many seats as possible to prove socialism is good or something and so anyone who says “yeah sure I’m a socialist” is automatically their candidate over someone not saying that.
This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid. Their sole responsibility within any org unlucky enough to be saddled with these useless dead weight should be moving heavy boxes from point A to point B and even then they might fuck that up somehow.
I’m not entirely convinced. I think the people who supported Platner are more likely to be compromised than stupid. Hasan for example has spent literally years upon years diverting people who were ostensibly moving left and convincing them to vote democrat. Even if he had legitimate left wing politics at some point, that point is far behind him now.
A lot of them are both compromised and fools. Idk if Hasan is also a fool or just compromised. I’m inclined to say also a fool because even a vet apologist could have seen Platner as being a liability far beyond the typical smol bean proud veteran and taken any of several offramps to more openly disavow him.
Yep. Smart compromised people would be on the “Platner is a Nazi goon” wagon from day 1 so they can reap their leftist cred harvest when the campaign inevitably and predictably collapses.
Very fair point, yeah. Compromised and a total dipshit.
Hasan has simply found his niche and is growing within it. If he abandoned unprincipled electoralism he would have less to speak about that’s relevant to the news articles and videos he comes across live on stream and have no chance of being invited to electoralist events to do solo pundit things.
He may understand this as maximizing his relevance and bringing people left through it, but of course that’s the exact same logic of opportunism and tailism. Supporting a war criminal Nazi settles the debate of which it is, lol.
I think a little of column A, a little of column B: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
some people are dumb, some people are malicious, some people are both.
The party, however, IMO is both, and it should be treated as such.
Hasan is a class traitor, plain and simple. He got money, and now it’s no longer in his interest to have those opinions that got him his money.
Hasan has always openly been a reformist when it comes to American politics, despite happily platforming MLs and doing theory sessions. He has mentioned many times in the past that this has always been a sticking point with people further to his left with him.
This isn’t a new thing.
Meh, his class character changed and he is now acting in the interests of his new class. Makes him a piece of shit but not necessarily a traitor. He has joined the bourgeoisie and now acts for them… Not exactly treachery;)
he wasn’t exactly a proletarian previously. but yes it is class interests that lead him to this
I dont really know enough about Hasan, tbh. I’d just seen his fans defending him by saying he was.
They didn’t say “proletarian” because theyre libs but still
Engels already told us what “people” like Hasan were in 1892. They speculate on the discontent of the lower classes in order to sell them out to one of the big parties afterward.
If they weren’t stupid, why did Platner’s campaign collapse so stupidly?
I’m talking about the various political commentators who couldn’t stop glazing the guy, not his campaign, but fine - stupid and compromised.
No, like, now all those political commentators just took a hit to their reputations. This made them look stupid, too.
A nice pretty rake was set out in front of them and then they all lined up to step on it, one after another.
What was the point?
I commented this else where but I really think it is just electoralism brainworms where you always have to vote for someone and in this case on paper Platner’s policies were what they wanted to see over the other person. Since its only about the election and the policies to these people, they are forced to ignore the glaring issues with Platner because the election is happening anyway, someone has to run, and the only other person was a zionist. they have an extremely myopic worldview where they need to win as many seats as possible to prove socialism is good or something and so anyone who says “yeah sure I’m a socialist” is automatically their candidate over someone not saying that.
10000000000%
Yeah… Compromised and stupid.