• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    12·
    6 days ago

    I yearn for the time when our need to celebrate LGBTQ+ orientations is the same as our need to celebrate heterosexuality - i.e. that it’s all treated as absolutely normal, same as, say, hair color or the color of one’s eyes.

    I’ve actually lived for almost a decade in The Netherlands, and it’s pretty refreshing* when nobody actually gives a shit either way about anybody else’s sexual orientation outside a romantic/sexual context.

    *compared to most Anglo-Saxon countries, whose culture IMHO is seriously socially backwards compared to the Dutch, being still stuck in a mindset anchored on the idea of LGBTQ+ people as a different kind of people, rather than the flat egalitarian view that people are people are people and sexual orientation is just another absolutely normal human characteristic that can take many forms.

    • Domi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      2·
      4 days ago

      It can never be the same as our need to celebrate heterosexuality. Because heterosexuals have never been, murdered, correctively raped, attacked, imprisoned and discriminated against for their sexuality. It will never not be important to remember this, even if we achieve a society that no longer reproduces those things.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        You do understand that’s logically “keep looking differently towards a certain kind of people because murderous aggressors who looked differently towards them did horrible things to them because of it”?!

        You’re literally justifying the continuation of a discriminatory perspective towards people with minority sexual orientations by using the actions of the aggressors had and acted on said discriminatory perspective.

        At best that’s circular logic, or maybe Stockholm Syndrome (since you’ve accepted the perspective of the aggressor even if you disapprove of their actions)

        You’re making my point on why the “it’s all normal” perspective of the Dutch is so refreshing compared to the perspective of Anglo-Saxon countries.

        • Domi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          What the fuck are you talking about? How am I making an argument for different treatment by wanting to continue to celebrate queer folks.

          How am I justifying discrimination? How?

          Edit: I briefly looked through your comment history and you have seem to have decent enough politics. So maybe we are less at odds than it seems. That being said I think your take above is dogshit.

    • YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systemsEnglish
      13·
      6 days ago

      You know, some cities (at least one because I live here) delay their local pride celebration until July to avoid competing with larger cities in the local metro area. Don’t get too comfortable if you want to avoid being seen and celebrated, is what I’m saying.