• Zarobi@aussie.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    50
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    3 days ago

    That’s a very nihilistic view that implies existence is not worth anything. Personally, I believe that existing is actually beautiful and worth experiencing, even if it sucks sometimes and has inherit suffering. Otherwise we might as well all lie down, stop eating or drinking, and wait for death. Kids don’t see the world as suffering and pain — they enjoy every moment with unjaded, curious eyes.

    • 0ops@piefed.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      32
      ·
      3 days ago

      Kids don’t see the world as suffering and pain — they enjoy every moment with unjaded, curious eyes.

      Well, you know, ideally

        • 0ops@piefed.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          3 days ago

          I’d like to think so, but idk. I mean I’m not an anti-natalist myself, but I also hated my time as a kid so I get where they’re coming from.

    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      3 days ago

      Kids don’t see the world as suffering and pain — they enjoy every moment with unjaded, curious eyes.

      Nah, this is fake news. I hated being a kid and was passively suicidal. Once I was an adult, I got to trans My gender and be happy.

      • Zarobi@aussie.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 days ago

        In this context, where we’re talking about having children, would you do it better? You wouldn’t let your kids suffer the same way you did, right? That’s called generational healing.

        • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          3 days ago

          Yeah, I adopted a couple of younger trans people with bad parents. I’m helping then develop life skills and build resilience and look the way they want to look.

        • Rusty@gamepad.club
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          @Zarobi sure, because they are already here. If you could prevent that, wouldnt you? Seems cruel to allow that. Similarly if i had a debilitating hereditary condition why the hell would I pass it on?

          • Zarobi@aussie.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 days ago

            The thing is, you can’t predetermine if they’ll have cancer or some other rare conditions before existing. There’s very good screening tests nowadays to help prevent that as well. To me, it seems like a strange morality for that to be your reason to avoid having children. It’s anticipatory grief, like not making friends because they might die. By the same logic, what if your child is the one that discovers the cure to cancer? In that case, it’s cruel not to have them, but you can’t know, so it’s a moot point. Unless you do know, in which case send me a DM, I’m in need of a mystic.

            Hereditary conditions are a whole different conversation.