• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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      7 days ago

      Not what I said.

      I’d flee or if there’s any reasonable chance to survive, I’d join some self-defense militia. But I wouldn’t die for a state.

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        7 days ago

        Arbitrarily drawing the line at your feet for what form of group is acceptable doesn’t change that your self-defense militia would in fact be akin to “a state” in the context of what is being discussed.

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          7 days ago

          it were a state, I wouldn’t have a say in whether or not I will help in defending that state.

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              6 days ago

              How long do you think that remains voluntary once a state of emergency is called out due to war?

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        7 days ago

        So if your land gets taken over, you’ll go somewhere else and take someone else’s land?

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          6 days ago

          Is that hou you view refugees? As “taking someone else’s land”?

          Ok, Mr Musk. /s

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            6 days ago

            There’s a big difference between inviting someone into your home and someone entering uninvited. There’s also a big difference between inviting one person into your home versus ten people.

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              6 days ago

              Ok. I’ll better not ask you about your opinion on the “refugee crisis” of 2015 or what you think about refugees drowning in the mediterranean sea.

              You’re probably also in favour of male Ukranian refugees between 18 and 60 in losing their residence permit in Germany in 2028.

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                6 days ago

                I don’t know enough about these situations to comment on them. In isolation, a non-zero amount of suffering and death is obviously worse than none. But the world isn’t an isolated bubble like that. When you consider everything in its totality, it’s no longer so obvious what the correct objective should be, and that’s with the assumption that we can even even devise a measurable score for any of these objectives. Do we care for a lower bound on everyone’s quality of life? Do we want to maximize some quality of life average or total? Do we want to maximize the duration of human existence? Who is this “everyone”? Everyone alive today? Everyone who will ever exist? Do we give the same weight to every person? Or should we use some discounted weighting so that present humans get higher priority than future humans? Or should we put a cap on how much of our collective resources we can allocate to any given individual?

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                  6 days ago

                  What the fuck are you talking about?

                  Whatever tangent you’re on about: I can’t experience anything anymore if I’m dead. And I’m sure as shit doing anything in my power not to die “for my nation”.

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                    6 days ago

                    I don’t know. You brought up all those other scenarios. I don’t know how they’re relevant either.

                    Anyway, why would it not be a good thing if others want to put their lives on the line so that you can live your life in peace, or flee successfully if it comes to that?