“I Ain’t Reading All That; Free Palestine”
The meme enrages Israel supporters because Israel apologia depends on mountains of verbiage to spin obvious atrocities as reasonable and appropriate. At some point the kids noticed this was happening, and started dismissing all the narratives.
…Without mountains of narrative, all you’ve got is a nonstop deluge of raw video footage depicting the blatant genocidal criminality of Israel. No narrative overlay is required atop a video of a baby beheaded by Israeli military explosives. It stands on its own. You’d only need narrative to explain why the footage of the headless baby doesn’t say bad things about the side that’s dropping the bombs.
…Manipulators understand that they can use narrative to promote material agendas if they can get people to believe those narratives, and it enrages them when people handwave away the narrative and stick solely with the raw data of material reality. If you’ve based your life around trading empty narrative fluff for real material resources and gains, having your narratives dismissed can feel like holding a huge pile of currency that suddenly got devalued to zero. Of course the manipulators would be upset about this.
I generally agree with what you wrote, but just saying “I ain’t reading all that, free Palestine” is a bad way to phrase it. Only a few days ago, someone posted this which boils down to the same phrasing, but arrives at the conclusion “trump 2024!”. Saying something like “this is obviously a manipulative and false narrative” would be way better imho.
It’s not a debate strategy only available to one side, it’s a statement.
It’s what you tell a flat earther who demands you watch a 2 hour video. You quit engaging because their arguments are very, very stupid.
Bruh
There’s a difference between that being their actual train of thinking, and just not arguing with someone who’s pro genocide.
Like, I run across a lot of accounts. And give them a shot to talk in good faith.
But there’s people out there who want nothing else but to argue. They have no logical consistency and will just keep saying things, and after you point out why they’re wrong, drop it and pick a new one.
It gets fucking exhausting, and isn’t ever going to be productive.
So I just started blocking them and it’s made Lemmy so much better.
There’s a very good chance the person in the screenshot is at the same point. They’re just tired of people defending genocide, they know facts and logic won’t get them to stop, and interacting with someone would just be a waste of time.
So…
TLDR,FP
I don’t like the logic that “you cant say this because it is a similarly structured statement to something someone bad said”
Also “i aint reading all of that; free palestine” is a lot better since it isn’t like you are gonna convince any zionists to change sides with logic, since they don’t care about logic or truth. They care about the narrative and the stories they have.
As someone who routinely
gets drunk andargues with zionists, I’ve noticed that most people nowadays are entrenched with their position on the genocide. And like arguments I’ve had with fascists in the past, you aren’t gonna be able to actually argue with them because they have 100 propaganda points drip fed from both American liberal and conservative media, and Israeli press, ready to pull out at once.When you get dog piled, or someone cites 30 propaganda news pieces, you shouldn’t engage, its a waste of time. “I aint reading that; free palestine” is probably the best thing to say
Honestly though whenever people say this I just assume they are absolute morons. Like if you aren’t willing to read a few sentences then I don’t l know how you could possibly think your opinion on anything is in any way informed.
What’s one thing you read and researched that really makes you sympathize with Israel?
Israel is a country so I don’t know how one could sympathize with such a conceptual idea. But I generally try to sympathize everyone who is negatively affected by a conflict and there certainly are some Israelis who have been (hostages for example). But of course, in the current moment, that is a distraction from the primary issue of ongoing ethnic cleansing by the IDF.
I don’t know what that has to do with what I’m saying though. Ignorant people can still be on the right side of an issue by chance. But I don’t think we should be celebrating willful ignorance like this.
They didn’t flip a quarter, they’ve made up their minds having seen the atrocities. Ignoring hasbara is a critical reaction.
Instead of a quarter they trust information from their peers and the media they happen to consume. Through the same uninformed process, many people also support Israel. This is why genocide happens, and if you navigate the world in willful ignorance, you will find yourself on the wrong side of a future issue.
Do you take an hour out of your day to engage with every video a flat-earther makes? Will people take you seriously if you don’t?
I agree, also often times populist parties are the ones who provide simple solutions to complicated problems which can’t be solved that easily.
Those darn populists, they don’t get complexity like the elites. Of course we have to keep bombing tents
That is not what I said
Oh did I miss something complex and nuanced? Please share! What do you find complex about the genocide? Why is “stop sending Israel weapons” an unworkable solution?
Try to reread this thread again because I still did not say a single thing about Israel
