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First of all calm your armchair scolding ass down, I didn’t make the claim that posting all on its lonesome is going to save the world or that you literally copy verbatim fascist talking points, you uncharitble ass
I’m SAYING propaganda is important, particularly counter-propaganda, unless you want to sit there with a straight face and make the argument that radicalization through media (online or otherwise) has no bearing on modern politics?
And lastly we are sucesssfully competing against the billion dollar media empires of the capitalist class, because unlike them our ideas are actually popular, so you can stuff that bloated defeatism in the same place you found that delusional interpretation of my take
Is there a raffle box where you scolds take out the dumbest possible interpretation of my take? Did I say all we have to do is create a bunch of cringe sock puppet accounts?
Maybe I was talking in generalities and not one specific tactic of the right, maybe I was alluding to the UNCOMPROMISING and RUTHLESS nature of right-wing media and suggesting there could be lessons to learn there for the left
Yeah, the most “obvious” if you dont think about it for more than two seconds
The last three words “against the right” should have cleared up any misunderstanding, but of course the point wasn’t understanding, it was to get a scold in and lecture for the sake of dopamine
But guess what, I’m not some lib who just crawled in from r/politics, you pull that annoying reddit shit on me, I’ll throw it back in your face with interest
I think the point is (and I’m really stepping in it here) that you are one of the remaining “bullying works” people on this website and we’re currently, as a website, having a (very slow-motion) reckoning with whether “bullying works” is a) truthful and b) useful. I suspect that’s why SerialExperimentsGay made her comment. I suspect that’s why you responded to her the way you did. I suspect that’s why she responded to you the way she did. I suspect that’s why this whole thread is the way that it is
If that’s what going on then it is what it is, cause I’m not partial to that debate beyond a certain point, even tho I’m somewhat sympathetic to the anti-bullying side, cause there’s been way too much friendly fire on this forum for the last couple years
But my baseline position remains rock solid “bullying fascists works” anyone who wants to tussle with me over that will get my full opposition and contempt
Though in this specific case, I definitely wasn’t the one who started flinging shit
I’ve already offered you an easy out. What else do you want? To promise to read your mind or always infer an agreeable position from whatever you write? You are being a bit unreasonable here.
Wtf are you talking about, you’re not even the original user who accused me of “wanting to turn the left into abusive manipulators” or whatever the fuck
If you can’t see how out of pocket that shit was then frankly I’m not interested in your mediation
You literally said “we need to copy this” as a reply to “nazis are good at manipulating people through fear of ridicule”. That’s the entire point you were making. How charitable do i have to be when you explicitly say “we need to learn to argue just like an abusive internet nazi making up a bunch of fake ass bs to own the SJWs”? Of course that makes me uncomfortable, it’s kind of a valid concern that you will not just use that to get back at the fascists, and the way you immediately jump down my throat at the tiniest pushback and make up a bunch of accusations against me proves my point fairly well. I’m just gonna block your hostile cranky ass, this isn’t going anywhere.
So you hyberfixated on a throwaway word on a throwaway comment and thought that was enough to accuse me of wanting to copy the right verbatim and become a “abusive manipulator” and now your mad cause I pushed back on that bullshit accusation?
against the right
Wtf did you think I meant when I typed those words? You seriously thought I was saying “we should create sock puppets and accuse the right-wing of being cringe liberal feminists” you genuinely think that’s my train of thought?
This is why charitably is so important, least of all because it prevents you from picking unwarranted fights
and the way you immediately jump down my throat at the tiniest pushback and make up a bunch of accusations against me proves my point fairly well
"Oh no how could anybody take an uncharitable interpretation of a one sentence post that literally says “we need to copy how nazis manipulate people that’s so mean and scoldy”
Yeah, that’s ALL I said, “we need to copy how nazis manipulate people” I even used the word nazi and everything apparently
I certainly didn’t structure and contextualize my argument with the words “wield it against the right” which blows your dipshit, inquisitorial, bad faith interpretation out the water
Got any more lies of omission or ways to flatten a tactical discussion about turning an opponent’s effective communication and psychological framework against themselves into a supposed endorsement of Nazi tactics or ideology?
You are correct. Of course the right has endless resources, they’ve engineered society for that, with the Democrats assistance the entire way. That doesn’t mean we can’t fight back.
The massive US military has been getting smoked by dudes in Nana’s housecoats and turbans for decades, and before that, pajamas, who figured out ways to destroy their enemy on a shoestring budget. Remember in Empire Strikes Back, the giant At-At walkers seemed unstoppable, until a tiny jet wrapped a cable around its feet.
We can, and are, doing that on a massive scale. While they are controlling the broadcast system, we can use the Internet to have an even bigger reach, and deeper impact. The entire progressive movement has happened online, and it will get stronger after tonight’s primary results.
And when we do regain power, we need to suppress their abuse of “Free Speech.” There is no reason we have to accept defamation and outright lies as normal political discourse.
First of all calm your armchair scolding ass down, I didn’t make the claim that posting all on its lonesome is going to save the world or that you literally copy verbatim fascist talking points, you uncharitble ass
I’m SAYING propaganda is important, particularly counter-propaganda, unless you want to sit there with a straight face and make the argument that radicalization through media (online or otherwise) has no bearing on modern politics?
And lastly we are sucesssfully competing against the billion dollar media empires of the capitalist class, because unlike them our ideas are actually popular, so you can stuff that bloated defeatism in the same place you found that delusional interpretation of my take
What works for us is very different from replicating the strategy of creating a bunch of cringe sock puppet accounts.
Is there a raffle box where you scolds take out the dumbest possible interpretation of my take? Did I say all we have to do is create a bunch of cringe sock puppet accounts?
Maybe I was talking in generalities and not one specific tactic of the right, maybe I was alluding to the UNCOMPROMISING and RUTHLESS nature of right-wing media and suggesting there could be lessons to learn there for the left
I’d say it’s the most obvious interpretation of your 1 sentence comment. But given your further comments I’ll take that this is not what you meant.
But you can’t be mad that people will interpret “we should do the same” as “we should do the same”.
Yeah, the most “obvious” if you dont think about it for more than two seconds
The last three words “against the right” should have cleared up any misunderstanding, but of course the point wasn’t understanding, it was to get a scold in and lecture for the sake of dopamine
But guess what, I’m not some lib who just crawled in from r/politics, you pull that annoying reddit shit on me, I’ll throw it back in your face with interest
I think the point is (and I’m really stepping in it here) that you are one of the remaining “bullying works” people on this website and we’re currently, as a website, having a (very slow-motion) reckoning with whether “bullying works” is a) truthful and b) useful. I suspect that’s why SerialExperimentsGay made her comment. I suspect that’s why you responded to her the way you did. I suspect that’s why she responded to you the way she did. I suspect that’s why this whole thread is the way that it is
If that’s what going on then it is what it is, cause I’m not partial to that debate beyond a certain point, even tho I’m somewhat sympathetic to the anti-bullying side, cause there’s been way too much friendly fire on this forum for the last couple years
But my baseline position remains rock solid “bullying fascists works” anyone who wants to tussle with me over that will get my full opposition and contempt
Though in this specific case, I definitely wasn’t the one who started flinging shit
I’ve already offered you an easy out. What else do you want? To promise to read your mind or always infer an agreeable position from whatever you write? You are being a bit unreasonable here.
Wtf are you talking about, you’re not even the original user who accused me of “wanting to turn the left into abusive manipulators” or whatever the fuck
If you can’t see how out of pocket that shit was then frankly I’m not interested in your mediation
Honestly, vibe
wow i really shat in your cereals there, sorry about that
My cereal is fine, but with respect the mere suggestion that fascists get back a little of what they dish out seems to have soured yours, how strange
I hope nobody interprets that in a uncharitble and obnoxious way and implies things about your character
You literally said “we need to copy this” as a reply to “nazis are good at manipulating people through fear of ridicule”. That’s the entire point you were making. How charitable do i have to be when you explicitly say “we need to learn to argue just like an abusive internet nazi making up a bunch of fake ass bs to own the SJWs”? Of course that makes me uncomfortable, it’s kind of a valid concern that you will not just use that to get back at the fascists, and the way you immediately jump down my throat at the tiniest pushback and make up a bunch of accusations against me proves my point fairly well. I’m just gonna block your hostile cranky ass, this isn’t going anywhere.
So you hyberfixated on a throwaway word on a throwaway comment and thought that was enough to accuse me of wanting to copy the right verbatim and become a “abusive manipulator” and now your mad cause I pushed back on that bullshit accusation?
Wtf did you think I meant when I typed those words? You seriously thought I was saying “we should create sock puppets and accuse the right-wing of being cringe liberal feminists” you genuinely think that’s my train of thought?
This is why charitably is so important, least of all because it prevents you from picking unwarranted fights
"Oh no how could anybody take an uncharitable interpretation of a one sentence post that literally says “we need to copy how nazis manipulate people that’s so mean and scoldy”
Yeah, that’s ALL I said, “we need to copy how nazis manipulate people” I even used the word nazi and everything apparently
I certainly didn’t structure and contextualize my argument with the words “wield it against the right” which blows your dipshit, inquisitorial, bad faith interpretation out the water
Got any more lies of omission or ways to flatten a tactical discussion about turning an opponent’s effective communication and psychological framework against themselves into a supposed endorsement of Nazi tactics or ideology?
You are correct. Of course the right has endless resources, they’ve engineered society for that, with the Democrats assistance the entire way. That doesn’t mean we can’t fight back.
The massive US military has been getting smoked by dudes in Nana’s housecoats and turbans for decades, and before that, pajamas, who figured out ways to destroy their enemy on a shoestring budget. Remember in Empire Strikes Back, the giant At-At walkers seemed unstoppable, until a tiny jet wrapped a cable around its feet.
We can, and are, doing that on a massive scale. While they are controlling the broadcast system, we can use the Internet to have an even bigger reach, and deeper impact. The entire progressive movement has happened online, and it will get stronger after tonight’s primary results.
And when we do regain power, we need to suppress their abuse of “Free Speech.” There is no reason we have to accept defamation and outright lies as normal political discourse.