• Doomsider@lemmy.world
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    Oh darn, no more collecting French wine in the cellar!?

    How fucking tone deaf is this. You don’t get to collect a sales tax on Internet services or else we will tax this luxury item.

    Who the fuck is Trumplethinskin working for here? It isn’t your average American getting some barefoot wine at the grocery store for fucks sake.

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    If France is facing tariffs, the EU is going to respond. That is playing trade war on “stupid” mode.

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    Someone should tell Trump tariffs on French wine will just boost sales of California wine. Maybe he hates California enough to back off.

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      That would also result in wine being more environmentally friendly. Shipping liquid in heavy glass bottles is a carbon footprint nightmare, so people should be drinking wine as locally produced as possible.

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        Nah, humanity is really good at shipping. Locally sourced wine is only environmentally friendlier than shipping if you happen to live in a vintner.

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          Unsurprisingly, that doesn’t seem to be true, but also the studies seem to arrive at pretty different numbers about how much worse it is.

          Some authors, such as Neto et al. (2013), show that the distribution of wine has a relatively small impact of 1.9% (0.05 kg CO2e/bottle of 750 ml) relative to the viticulture and wine bottling stages in the supply chain. Others, such as Bonamente et al. (2016), estimate the distribution of bottled wine to represent approximately 41.1% of the total life cycle emissions of wine at consumption.

          https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2210539526000866#t0005

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            Exactly. Even in the worst case, it’s better to ship a bottle of wine from California to Canada, than try to use greenhouses to make a Canadian winery a reality.

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    France should just ignore this and apply the taxes anyway. The orange bully doesn’t know how to legally implement tariffs and he is way too busy trying to stay out of the Epstein controversy anyway.

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    Just do-it, Not only the tax on tech will help french economy and push people to use “local” solution, but the US trade tariff on french wine means that less Champagne will go to the US, which means less demand for the same offer, so cheaper price for Europeans. Price for Champagne and other decent wine raised way faster than inflation, and a 40 EUR bottle of bad champagne isn’t worth that much

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    Wait until Trump realises that France is in the EU and that you can’t tarriff France alone.

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    The only people buying imported wine aren’t those concerned about the price change.

  • BigShammy80@feddit.org
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    It’s so funny. Demanding a common tax for making profits with tech apparently is “unfair”. Must be his tech bro’s who are not happy. Probably he received a message: “We don’t wanna pay taxes, do something!”.

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    The French can sell their wine to the rest of the world. Ignore the orange man, he has no legitimacy to interfere in the French internal affairs.

  • Elvith Ma'for@feddit.org
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    Not sure how the volume of wine sales is, but it feels like BigTech has a way higher volume? On the other hand, it’s a 100% tariff vs a 3% tax…

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      https://wine-intelligence.com/blogs/wine-analytics-pricing-report-data/us-wine-imports-decline-in-2025-impacting-major-suppliers-and-prices

      For 2025:

      France and Italy maintained their positions as the largest suppliers to the United States by value. France exported €2,130.4 million of wine (-7.9%), while Italy reached €1,807.7 million (-13.21%)

      That being said, I suppose that he could probably find other French products to impose tariffs on.

      https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4279.html

      In 2025, the US imported $68 billion from France.

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          grins

          Controversial take, given the forum.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

          1475: France is using long scale.

          Early 19th century: “France widely converted to the short scale, and was followed by the U.S., which began teaching it in schools. Many French encyclopedias of the 19th century either omitted the long scale system or called it “désormais obsolète”, a now obsolete system.”

          1926: “It should be remembered that ‘billion’ does not mean in American use (which follows the French) what it means in British.”

          1948: “The 9th General Conference on Weights and Measures received requests to establish an International System of Units. One such request was accompanied by a draft French Government discussion paper, which included a suggestion of universal use of the long scale, inviting the short-scale countries to return or convert.[35] This paper was widely distributed as the basis for further discussion. The matter of the International System of Units was eventually resolved at the 11th General Conference in 1960. The question of long scale versus short scale was not resolved and does not appear in the list of any conference resolutions.”

          1960:

          The 11th General Conference on Weights and Measures adopted the International System of Units (SI), with its own set of numeric prefixes.[6] SI is therefore independent of the number scale being used. SI also notes the language-dependence of some larger-number names and advises against using ambiguous terms such as billion, trillion, etc.[37] The National Institute of Standards and Technology within the US also considers that it is best that they be avoided entirely.[38]

          1961: “The French Government confirmed their official usage of the long scale in the Journal officiel (the official French Government gazette).[39]”

          1974:

          Mr. Maxwell-Hyslop asked the Prime Minister whether he would make it the practice of his administration that when Ministers employ the word ‘billion’ in any official speeches, documents, or answers to Parliamentary Questions, they will, to avoid confusion, only do so in its British meaning of 1 million million and not in the sense in which it is used in the United States of America, which uses the term ‘billion’ to mean 1,000 million.

          The Prime Minister: No. The word ‘billion’ is now used internationally to mean 1,000 million and it would be confusing if British Ministers were to use it in any other sense. I accept that it could still be interpreted in this country as 1 million million and I shall ask my colleagues to ensure that, if they do use it, there should be no ambiguity as to its meaning.

          The BBC and other UK mass media quickly followed the government’s lead within the UK.

          During the last quarter of the 20th century, most other English-speaking countries (Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Zimbabwe, etc.) either also followed this lead or independently switched to the short scale use.

          1994: “The Italian Government confirmed their official usage of the long scale.”

  • MedicsOfAnarchy@lemmy.world
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    So, let me understand. His MAGAAs were trying to pair a nice Bordeaux or Châteauneuf-du-Pape with their Wagyu beef dinner, and noticed it was a little pricey? Is that what he’s fixing?

    Meanwhile, the EPSTEIN files have Trump’s name throughout them like a fungus in a flooded basement. Trump is a shit smear.

  • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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    Trump tells France to scrap sales tax or else he’ll punish his own people with another tax instead.

    Every day is a tortured exercise to remain sane.