what industrial meat, egg or milk production or similar situation have you been in?
tbf these animals’ lives are not “hard” really, they get all the food, growth hormones and antibiotics they need, they just don’t really get to move. oh and they get forcefully impregnated and every offspring gets taken away, or if that’s not possible, (ie male or infertile) they get killed, in the house where all the blood and screaming is
btw previously i was referring to chickens, they grind up male chicks alive because they don’t need as many
what industrial meat, egg or milk production or similar situation have you been in?
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I do not know. I was never in that situation.
For some reason you expect that I would be shocked or that I could not stand such experience. But we have obviously a different standards on what an acceptable cruelty towards animals is. Maybe explaining what is happening was something that changed your opinion. But if you would try to convince as many people as possible and save as many animals as possible you should definitely change your strategy. Because most meat eaters know that and how much animals suffer. And we do not care. Because animal suffering is obviously not enough a priority to change even eating habits. This is genuine advice. Do with it what you want.
they get forcefully impregnated
As almost every wife in arabic country. And they would still prefere to exist. And also as most animals in animal kingdom. What they experience is way closer to rape than is to voluntary action as we understand it.
they just don’t really get to move
As lots of sick and/or old people. And most still prefere to exist.
every offspring gets taken away
As it is with moms whose kids die because of sickness or accidents. And they still most often prefere to exist.
in the house where all the blood and screaming is
As any solder and hospital worker (or butcher) And they still prefere to exist.
Some people experience lots od things mentioned above. And I am not claiming those are good things. I am not arguing killing of animals is awesome or we should not abandon it.
I am arguing you are underestimating how much existence is worth. Some people value it less (probably you?), and would kill (euthanize) themselves if they would have to experience stuff mentioned above.
But I argue lots and probably most people would still prefere to exist even though they lived horrible life you mention.
I argue that having a horrible, short life that is terminated forcefully is worth more than not existing at all. And this is by a standard of lots of people. We do not even know what percentage of people think this. And we are way more clueless about animal opinion on the matter.
what industrial meat, egg or milk production or similar situation have you been in?
tbf these animals’ lives are not “hard” really, they get all the food, growth hormones and antibiotics they need, they just don’t really get to move. oh and they get forcefully impregnated and every offspring gets taken away, or if that’s not possible, (ie male or infertile) they get killed, in the house where all the blood and screaming is
btw previously i was referring to chickens, they grind up male chicks alive because they don’t need as many
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As lots of sick and/or old people. And most still prefere to exist.
As it is with moms whose kids die because of sickness or accidents. And they still most often prefere to exist.
As any solder and hospital worker (or butcher) And they still prefere to exist.
Some people experience lots od things mentioned above. And I am not claiming those are good things. I am not arguing killing of animals is awesome or we should not abandon it.
I am arguing you are underestimating how much existence is worth. Some people value it less (probably you?), and would kill (euthanize) themselves if they would have to experience stuff mentioned above. But I argue lots and probably most people would still prefere to exist even though they lived horrible life you mention.
I argue that having a horrible, short life that is terminated forcefully is worth more than not existing at all. And this is by a standard of lots of people. We do not even know what percentage of people think this. And we are way more clueless about animal opinion on the matter.